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# 111
08-17-2013, 06:48 PM
Voted worst movie? By who?

Who are these "fans" who think their opinion is better than others. No this smells of fanboy.
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# 112
08-18-2013, 12:02 AM
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Well, scientists are the ones who make weapons.

In ST 2, the Genesis Device was created in a compact casing that could easily be fitted into a torpedo.....

anyways though, it's not much a a divergence, IF it can be considered a divergence at all. The Genesis project used high-energy particle physics to reconstruct matter on the molecular lavel, almost like a giant replicator... Thus Carol Marcus, in the original timeline, must have been an expert in that field as well as biology.
The Genesis device was never intended to be a weapon... The decision to use a torpedo was simply a logical choice of delivery method... If Carol's a weapons expert, so be it, I just wondered if there was any explanation given in movie as to why she was considered a weapons expert as well as being the science officer she was already known to be, or if it was just some kind of marketing spin to make her sound badass
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# 113
08-18-2013, 06:24 AM
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The Genesis device was never intended to be a weapon... The decision to use a torpedo was simply a logical choice of delivery method... If Carol's a weapons expert, so be it, I just wondered if there was any explanation given in movie as to why she was considered a weapons expert as well as being the science officer she was already known to be, or if it was just some kind of marketing spin to make her sound badass
True enough. I was just pointing out that it was soemwhat unfair to categorize the old version as just a biologist. She did have extensive knowledge in other areas too. But it's not really clear if weapons were one of them.
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# 114
08-18-2013, 06:56 AM
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True enough. I was just pointing out that it was soemwhat unfair to categorize the old version as just a biologist. She did have extensive knowledge in other areas too. But it's not really clear if weapons were one of them.
Personally, from WoK, I didn't get the impression Carol was anything but a scientist
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# 115
08-18-2013, 07:15 AM
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Personally, from WoK, I didn't get the impression Carol was anything but a scientist
Well the point I was making is that the original had knowledge in multiple branches of science... she obviously had knowledge of biology and high-energy physics.

The new version knows how to work with weapons that use high energy physics. The new version *might* not be a biologist, but both of them were physicists.

I wasn't really trying to say that either was a weapons specialist...
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# 116
08-18-2013, 07:16 AM
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Personally, from WoK, I didn't get the impression Carol was anything but a scientist
That was old Carol. This is young Carol. Many of us do things in our youth that we try to make amends for in our later years.

And there are a lot of scientists in a lot of different fields that find themselves involved with weapons or medical developments. There are probably just as many biologists dealing with toxins and their various uses as there are food production.

The physicist who invented transporters probably didn't realize his invention could be used to transport people off a ship and into space to kill them without conflict losses - or maybe he did realize it.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.

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# 117
08-18-2013, 07:53 AM
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Well the point I was making is that the original had knowledge in multiple branches of science... she obviously had knowledge of biology and high-energy physics.

The new version knows how to work with weapons that use high energy physics. The new version *might* not be a biologist, but both of them were physicists.

I wasn't really trying to say that either was a weapons specialist...
Having not seen ID, this is what I was uncertain of: if there was indeed justification/qualification in the movie for her being classed as a weapons expert in the write-ups

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That was old Carol. This is young Carol. Many of us do things in your youth that we try to make amends for in our later years.

And there are a lot of scientists in a lot of different fields that find themselves involved with weapons or medical developments. There are probably just as many biologists dealing with toxins and their various uses as there are food production.

The physicist who invented transporters probably didn't realize his invention could be used to transport people off a ship and into space to kill them without conflict losses - or maybe he did realize it.
That's very true, the military does have a habit of weaponsing scientific breakthroughs
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# 118
08-18-2013, 08:03 AM
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# 119
08-18-2013, 10:18 PM
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That's very true, the military does have a habit of weaponsing scientific breakthroughs
Quite a one-sided implication you're making here. James Cameron. How many scientific breakthroughs have been discovered at the behest of the military or assisted by them? And last I checked, the 1st people into space both in the US and former USSR were all in the service.

None of them were boogeymen...
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# 120
08-18-2013, 10:21 PM
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Quite a one-sided implication you're making here. James Cameron. How many scientific breakthroughs have been discovered at the behest of the military or assisted by them? And last I checked, the 1st people into space both in the US and former USSR were all in the service.

None of them were boogeymen...
I don't know... Enlighten me
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