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So, I've finally managed to accumulate enough EC to get 5 fleet ship modules, and I'm trying to figure out which ship to choose.

As far as the Tor'Kaht goes, I have it included here because I'm currently flying the Vor'cha retrofit, so I'm a little more familiar with its turning capabilities. I would really prefer to get into using raider type ships though (even though i have no experience with them). As far as looks go, I'd probably just go with the standard Vor'cha skin. I has a pretty solid BOff and console arrangement, and still pretty decent turn rate.

With the B'rel, I love the looks of this ship. It's easily my 3rd favorite star trek ship. I'm just not so sure if I would ever actually be using its EBC, as I would likely go with an all cannon build.

Thus brings me to the HoH'Sus. It's console arrangement is definetly more suited to what i'm looking for. And while a lot of people think that it looks ugly, I don't think that it looks that bad.

*Note: I didn't include the Fleet Norgh, because I just don't like the look of it (and if I cant stand looking at it while playing, then it will be pretty hard to play), even though I hear that the 2 LtC BOffs is really good.

The ships that I have the most experience playing are: the Heavy Escort Carrier, the T5 Mogai, and (obviously) the Vor'cha Retrofit.

I typically only do pve (ESTFs mostly), and the only pvp is either 1v1 vs friends or hunting in Ker'rat. So any tips, suggestions, thoughts, builds, personal opinions, etc. are appreciated.

Edit 1: I probably should have mentioned that it's a tac captain.

Edit 2: I'm discontinuing the Tor'Kaht from the race. It still looks like a really good ship, but just not for what I need it for.

Last edited by kjwashington; 08-22-2013 at 01:14 PM.
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# 2
08-21-2013, 07:40 PM
Bird of preys are mostly for Kerrat, pugs, and cap and hold pvp, they don't do that good in arena and most types of PVE there is a ship better suited for the job. Fleet Torkaht is a pretty user friendly good all around ship for pvp and pve and great for pugs as you can do good dps but tank better then an escort so less need for heals from others, go with that.
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# 3
08-21-2013, 09:12 PM
If your not going to use the EBC why buy the B'Rel?

Now I'm not saying you must make a Torpedo only ship out of it. All Cannons is still viable.

But understand you can launch Sci Powers from EBC too.

More Science less Tac could make it more effective in PVP, just don't use Energy Siphon you don't want a line to your ship.

The Fleet Tor'kaht is a bigger tougher escort, that may be good or bad depending on your views. If you want to Aux2bat it Science is no longer possible. The Fleet K'Tinga is the Vor'cha R layout, although with less hull and shields which confuses me as it has a 1.1 shield mod.
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# 4
08-22-2013, 12:45 AM
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The Fleet Tor'kaht is a bigger tougher escort, that may be good or bad depending on your views. If you want to Aux2bat it Science is no longer possible. The Fleet K'Tinga is the Vor'cha R layout, although with less hull and shields which confuses me as it has a 1.1 shield mod.
You can do a Tor'kaht with single A2B easily enough, since that 30% cooldown is enough for always-on EPTx abilities and boosting everything else's availability, and still leave a pair of sci boff slots and functional aux power about half the time. I dunno about doing another FAWboat that way, but the Tor'kaht more of a destroyer than a cruiser anyways.
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# 5
08-22-2013, 12:59 AM
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The Fleet K'Tinga is the Vor'cha R layout, although with less hull and shields which confuses me as it has a 1.1 shield mod.
Mine has a real 1.1 shield mod and 34650 hull, the wiki is not always correct.

I also have a tor'kaht and wouldn't recommend it for pvp because the fleet somraw is a better cannonboat and other battlecruisers are better aux2batt users, but it is not a bad ship.
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# 6
08-22-2013, 01:08 AM
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*Note: I didn't include the Fleet Norgh, because I just don't like the look of it (and if I cant stand looking at it while playing, then it will be pretty hard to play), even though I hear that the 2 LtC BOffs is really good.
You like the Hoh'sus, but you find the Norgh ugly?

Anyway I think it's a toss-up between the B'rel and Vor'cha personally. In fact, I have two KDF characters, and one will get the Fleet B'rel and the other the Tor'khat when I can.
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# 7
08-22-2013, 02:29 AM
Pointers:-

Tor'Kaht:-
Pros:-
- Cruiser Survivability
- Probably the best DPS Cruiser in the game
- Can equip DHC's
- Cloaks
- Lt. Cmdr Tactical Boff Slot
- Set up right, can do DPS rivalling that of an Escort, sometimes beyond (especially with Tactical character inside)
- One of the fastest turning Cruiser's in the game

Cons:-
- Weak maneuverability compared to Escorts (especially BoP's) - Counterable with Evasive Maneuvers, Attack Pattern Omega, Emergency Power to Engines, etc.


B'rel Fleet:-
Pros:-
- Extremely High Maneuverability
- Enhanced Battle Cloak
- Sheer Versitility

Cons:-
- Squishy
- 3 Tactical Consoles
- Limited Aft Weapon Slots


Fleet HoH'SuS:-
Pros:-
- Extremely High Maneuverability
- Battle Cloak
- Sheer Versitility
- Probably the best DPS Bird-of-Prey in the game (4 Tactical Consoles)

Cons:-
- Squishy
- Limited Aft Weapon Slots


Now you have a choice
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# 8
08-22-2013, 01:12 PM
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Bird of preys are mostly for Kerrat, pugs, and cap and hold pvp, they don't do that good in arena and most types of PVE there is a ship better suited for the job. Fleet Torkaht is a pretty user friendly good all around ship for pvp and pve and great for pugs as you can do good dps but tank better then an escort so less need for heals from others, go with that.
From what I can tell, Birds of Prey are pretty much what I'm looking for. I intend to really only bring it into Ker'rat, ESTFs, and 1v1s vs friends. While the Fleet Torkaht, will do well in the ESTFs and 1v1s, it feels like it might under-perform in Ker'rat. And the Birds of prey will do well in Ker'rat and 1v1s, and if worse comes to worse, I can still always use the Vor'cha R for ESTFs (got me this far).

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If your not going to use the EBC why buy the B'Rel?

Now I'm not saying you must make a Torpedo only ship out of it. All Cannons is still viable.

But understand you can launch Sci Powers from EBC too.

More Science less Tac could make it more effective in PVP, just don't use Energy Siphon you don't want a line to your ship.

The Fleet Tor'kaht is a bigger tougher escort, that may be good or bad depending on your views. If you want to Aux2bat it Science is no longer possible. The Fleet K'Tinga is the Vor'cha R layout, although with less hull and shields which confuses me as it has a 1.1 shield mod.
I know that it can do some sci while cloaked, but I just don't know what. A list of all powers and consoles that can be used with it, and a good all cannon build would be appreciated. I'm sure that I would be able to adapt to the build and make it work.

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You like the Hoh'sus, but you find the Norgh ugly?

Anyway I think it's a toss-up between the B'rel and Vor'cha personally. In fact, I have two KDF characters, and one will get the Fleet B'rel and the other the Tor'khat when I can.
Call me crazy, I just don't like the Norgh's wings or that thing in the back that sticks up.

Last edited by kjwashington; 08-22-2013 at 01:15 PM.
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# 9
08-22-2013, 01:18 PM
Sounds like the Bird-of-Prey is your style at the moment, so if you're going with one, I'd say the HoH'SuS. It has better damage potential with the 4th Tac console.

The Fleet Tor'Kaht is also just as capable, and you'll practically never die. It is a significant upgrade to your Vor'cha Retrofit I'd say
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# 10
08-22-2013, 07:49 PM
For a Tactical Captain, the Hoh'SuS is an ideal ship, even if you compare it with more expensive Lobi ships (you can check my escort table if you need to be convinced). If you are experienced with a Mogai, then use that experience to equip your ship, but remember to adjust your style because you can't tank like a Mogai !
I would strongly recommend to assign a science officer to the Lt-Cmd slot, in order to use the Gravity Well ("stay where you are, I'm shooting !"). Two Lt engineers will allow you to put all cooldowns to a minimum (2 Aux2Batt, very useful with the gravity well and attack pattern omega) or to cycle EPtS and EPtW (or EPtWhatever). Your tactical commander will need tactical team, cannon scatter volley (or rapid fire in some cases) and two attack modes (I suggest delta1 and omega3 because beta is redundant with your typical Klingon disruptor proc). This is nothing new but gives a top performance in all PvE missions.
You can't replicate the same performance with the B'Rel because of the lack of a 4th tactical console. The enhanced cloak is not so interesting for a tactical captain because you might prefer a full-dual-cannon build to a cloaked torpedo-and-science boat (hence the interest of science captain in the B'Rel).
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