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# 11 what?
08-25-2013, 05:35 AM
What? more carriers ? on a star trek game? why god why ????????
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# 12
08-25-2013, 09:12 AM
So many opinions on carrier ships...

1. I didn't mention it, probably should have, but I do mean for this type of ship to be a "true" carrier, with 2 hanger slots. So, as has been pointed out, the 4/4 weapons wouldn't be likely.

2. A full carrier shouldn't be a small ship, it should be one of the biggest ships in the fleet, the same as the Vo'quv is one of the biggest in the KDF fleet.

3. I have tried a carrier build on my Klingon, but I decided to go back to a raptor because it fits my KDF play style and skill build. I have, however, realized that playing a carrier is very fun, and now I want to change my FED character from playing a normal cruiser to a carrier.

4. The idea of a new play style for carrier ships shouldn't be a thing to turn away, it adds more strategies to the game, a way for people to keep playing and still have fun every time, trying out new ships, officers, weapons, etc.

5. Yes! More carriers in Star Trek! It's a space navy, and what is a navy without carriers? Now that Starfleet has developed the Peregrine and other small support ships, we need ships to carry them onto the field, and to repair them when they return.
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# 13
08-25-2013, 08:36 PM
My biggest issue with Federation Carriers is people expect them to launch Defiants or they are perceived to be a waste of time.

The other problem is the Federation has more ships than anybody else and your still constantly asking for more. And when you want a new ship you take away from another Factions uniqueness by requesting a copy of that ship.

Why not make a KDF character better suited to the FDC.
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# 14
08-26-2013, 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by dknight0001 View Post
My biggest issue with Federation Carriers is people expect them to launch Defiants or they are perceived to be a waste of time.

The other problem is the Federation has more ships than anybody else and your still constantly asking for more. And when you want a new ship you take away from another Factions uniqueness by requesting a copy of that ship.

Why not make a KDF character better suited to the FDC.
Just saying but doesn't one of the KDF carriers launch BoP's? I don't think a carrier that could launch defiant's or aqaurius' would be too much too ask for.

And while i understand it is those traits that adds uniqueness to the KDF outside of PvP i don't see why the Feddy Bears can't have something similar.
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# 15
08-26-2013, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by dknight0001 View Post
My biggest issue with Federation Carriers is people expect them to launch Defiants or they are perceived to be a waste of time.

The other problem is the Federation has more ships than anybody else and your still constantly asking for more. And when you want a new ship you take away from another Factions uniqueness by requesting a copy of that ship.

Why not make a KDF character better suited to the FDC.

The standard KDF player response to a Fed request for new ships. Not singling you out. But it seems like there is a playbook on the KDF side for this kind of thing.

It's these kind of responses that reflects poorly on the overall KDF player base, in my opinion. I'm well aware that the KDF has been shortchanged over the last three years. But unity among fans of all factions for more content, for everybody, is the only way to up the odds in the player base's favor.

I'm all for new ships for all factions. Federation, Empire, and Republic. One group should not be excluded over the rest, regardless of how many ships the faction already has. That includes the Federation.

It's time that the Federation faction got a proper STARFLEET carrier vessel. My vote is for a cleaned up and detailed Jupiter (to make it less kitbash-y). It's time that the KDF got proper, first rate science vessels with true Klingon flavor, as well.

And no, I don't want a Starfleet carrier that launches escorts or frigates. A proper carrier should be carrying fighters.
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# 16
08-26-2013, 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by capnshadow27 View Post
Just saying but doesn't one of the KDF carriers launch BoP's? I don't think a carrier that could launch defiant's or aqaurius' would be too much too ask for.

And while i understand it is those traits that adds uniqueness to the KDF outside of PvP i don't see why the Feddy Bears can't have something similar.
Have you ever compared a BoP to a Defiant? The Carrier launches a T1 and in Elite form T2 BoP Raider. The Defiant is a T4 Escort, it has more hull, shields and weapons than the BoP even at Tier 4. A BoP has 10% less shields, and 20% less hull.

At the very least it should be an all new Frigate class ship. And for the record yes the Atrox needs and deserves it's own unique Frigates of Catian design. Heck rework Stalkers into Frigates and use the Peregrines for Fighters.

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Originally Posted by oldravenman3025 View Post
The standard KDF player response to a Fed request for new ships. Not singling you out. But it seems like there is a playbook on the KDF side for this kind of thing.

It's these kind of responses that reflects poorly on the overall KDF player base, in my opinion. I'm well aware that the KDF has been shortchanged over the last three years. But unity among fans of all factions for more content, for everybody, is the only way to up the odds in the player base's favor.

I'm all for new ships for all factions. Federation, Empire, and Republic. One group should not be excluded over the rest, regardless of how many ships the faction already has. That includes the Federation.

It's time that the Federation faction got a proper STARFLEET carrier vessel. My vote is for a cleaned up and detailed Jupiter (to make it less kitbash-y). It's time that the KDF got proper, first rate science vessels with true Klingon flavor, as well.

And no, I don't want a Starfleet carrier that launches escorts or frigates. A proper carrier should be carrying fighters.
It's all well and good to say everybody should get new ships, but history has taught us that's not how this game works, so while we're waiting for new ships you guys got a parade of new ones. And now when it's looking like Romulans are about to get the next batch we're told to wait again. If Klingons had gotten a ship everytime you guys got them we'd never said anything in the first place.

You've got a Carrier, an Escort with Fighters and a Sci Vessel with Fighters. There aren't pages of Klingon threads asking for copies of these ships. But there are pages of Federation threads asking for ours.

We have 4 Tier 5 Escorts, 3 of them Fleet level.
You guys have 8 all of them Fleet Level.
The Romulans have 4 already and all of those have a Fleet version.

Not including the Vet ship.

Perhaps it's time to be patient and wait for somebody else to get something new.
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# 17
08-26-2013, 11:22 AM
To be honest, i wish that Klingons would get even half the ships that Federation players have, but that's just the way it works. The KDF doesn't get much compared to the FED, but that's because the Federation has much more canon material to work from, and many more races to take unique ships from, while the Klingons have a simple ship list and few species to choose from. They only have Gorn, Orion, Nausicaan, and KDF ships to work with. The B'rel, K'tinga, Vor'cha, and Negh'var class ships are really the only canon ships the Klingons have, so options are limited.

I also clearly understand that I could have the carrier I want on the KDF side. The problem is, I'm kind of stuck. I like playing FED much better, because I'm far more used to my cruiser tanking build on my FED Vice Admiral. I would very much like to find a good carrier that compliments it. Also, I have my Klingon build set to an Escort/Raptor dps build, and I love using that on the KDF. Since I have no character slots or retrain tokens, I intend to stay as I am. I prefer using those builds for those factions anyway, and I probably wouldn't change even if I could.Ultimately, I want to play a fast attack, cloaking hit and run Raptor KDF General, and a tanking, defensive carrier on my FED Admiral, it's that simple.
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# 18
08-26-2013, 04:05 PM
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USS Galactica
*cough*
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Just use the Jem'Hadar Dreadnaught.
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# 19
08-26-2013, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dknight0001 View Post
Have you ever compared a BoP to a Defiant? The Carrier launches a T1 and in Elite form T2 BoP Raider. The Defiant is a T4 Escort, it has more hull, shields and weapons than the BoP even at Tier 4. A BoP has 10% less shields, and 20% less hull.

At the very least it should be an all new Frigate class ship. And for the record yes the Atrox needs and deserves it's own unique Frigates of Catian design. Heck rework Stalkers into Frigates and use the Peregrines for Fighters
As usual you miss the point. It doesnt have to be just as powerful as that, nobody has said "i want my T4 Defiant jammed in a ship" we want to launch an Equivelant of the T1 and T2 BoP's and the deifant or aquarius could do that, you think the Oddy version of the Aquarius is as high up as the regular player version? If so you Klingons would feel it necessary to call out for a nerf of it.

Why don't you Klingons just stick to your own Shipyard forums, you dont see a lot of Feds in there i bet. at least i never go in them.

Cause guess what? This is a forum, labeled FEDERATION SHIPYARDS, hence this is where we FEDERATION toons talk about ships and ship styles and ships we like. Deal with it.
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# 20
08-26-2013, 04:27 PM
I'd go for the vesta line if you want a tanking carrier. Sci vessels have the best shields. if you use resilient shields and monotanium hull plates, you would have a sturdy ship... as long as you keep that shield up... sci vessels don't have the best hulls.
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