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Hello everyone.

I think we are all aware fo the problem of Cryptic introducing new ships that make older ships obsolete or at least less desireable to fly.
Older ships like the Exploration Cruiser Retrofit, Assault Cruiser, (fleet) Star Crusier, (fleet) Heavy Cruiser Retrofit, (fleet) Deep Space Science Vessel, (fleet) Reconnaissance Science Vessel, D'Kyr Science Vessel, (fleet) Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit, Negh'Var Heavy Battle Cruiser, Vor'cha Battle Cruiser Retrofit and other ships (just to name a few) will become obsolete when time passes.

I understand that Cryptics needs to make money by selling Lockboxes and that's ok, other wise STO wouldn't exist anymore.

But i think there are more than enough people wanting to fly "older" ships or can't affort to get the always newest one.
Let's not forget the countless Star Trek fans that still populate STO who just love the iconic canon ships and simply don't WANT to fly a some generic alien ship as a Starfleet/KDF/ROM Officer.


This is just a WIP so please be forgiving.
So my proposal would be to introduce replaceable Bridge Modules.
Those Bridge modules would have Different BOFF and Console Layouts and could be installed on some older T5 ship at the beginning.
There would be only some basic bridge modules availlable having standard BOFF/Console layouts, (for Cruisers: T5 AC, SC, GCS layout for example)
Later Cryptic could sell additionally and more advanced Bridge modules for more than just the "oldest" T5 ships.
One more important thing, those Bridge Modules wouldn't be quite on par with the newes Lockbox ship, maybe aone or two "generations" below. So cryptic still would sell their Lockboxes like crazy.

At first the player had to buy a respec (-like) token from the C-Store. (maybe just 150 ZEN for example)
Then some NPC at the shipyard could offe the service to replace a ships BOFF/Console Layout with one the player has bought via the C-Store or a Basic Bridge Module.



A system like that would be a win-win situation for everyone IMO.

Benefits for Cryptic:
  • they would sell much more older ships
  • they would sell bridge modules
  • they would sell Bridge Module Installation tokens like crazy, each time someone wants to change a ships BOFF/Console Layout.
  • they still would sell new Lockbox ships, because the Bridge modules wouldn't be perfectly up to date

Benefits for us:
  • being able to fly the ships we like, instead of choosnig tha ship acctording to its BOFF/Console Layout
  • more versatility for every ship
  • a better Star Trek experience, more immersion
  • Star Trek Online would run even longer (more money for Cryptic)
  • more customization


Your thoughts?
(sorry for typos, btw)

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# 2
09-05-2013, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by yreodred View Post
Let's not forget the countless Star Trek fans that still populate STO who just love the iconic canon ships and simply don't WANT to fly a some generic alien ship as a Starfleet/KDF/ROM Officer.
For clarity, Cryptic/PWE isn't forcing anyone to pilot generic alien ships.

Wouldn't you need to apply this to all store ships? If the goal is to make "older" ships better, new ships today will be old at some point down the road. Or is this only intended to pre-lockbox ships?
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# 3
09-05-2013, 12:01 PM
It's a canon idea, at least. The Galaxy Class, according to the fluff, was extremely modular and was designed to be easily rearranged to suit the situation. Likewise, the Enterprise-D was supposed to have left spacedock with 35% of its interior space empty, to be allocated as needing during missions. Unfortunately none of this translated to STO and the Galaxy is one of the most rigid and awful ships in the game.

Also they won't even consider your ideas, because it would take too much effort. You gotta aim low to be heard.
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# 4
09-05-2013, 12:08 PM
Sto is an mmo, new ships is considered progression.

The new ships outclass pve atm, so really fly anything you want that doesn't just pop
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# 5
09-05-2013, 12:11 PM
Another question... would the cost for your item be in addition to the cost of the ship from the store? Reason I ask is, wouldn't this technically be making the older ships even more expensive?
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# 6
09-05-2013, 12:23 PM
Would it make money for Cryptic though? Currently whenever they make a new and powerful ship everyone runs out to get it (I obviously don't know the exact amount).

If your proposal was implemented wouldn't a good portion of those people just keep the $25 dollar ship they have and only buy the cheaper bridge modules thereby losing Cryptic money?

I'm assuming the bridge modules would be cheaper than an actual ship as that seems more likely in my mind.
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# 7
09-05-2013, 01:10 PM
1. Don't think this will happen, neither do I want it. Ships come with a play style. No need to change that.

2. In what way are older ships outclassed? My Excelsior and B'rel (both pretty old ships compared to lockbox ships) still perform excellently. They do not outclass my Mogai or my Jem HEC (both pretty new ships).

3. would be fun to see these on, for example, tuffli's. Would love to see a fleet of Tuffli's ripping apart the Borg Queen's vessel .
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# 8
09-05-2013, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by valoreah View Post
For clarity, Cryptic/PWE isn't forcing anyone to pilot generic alien ships.

Wouldn't you need to apply this to all store ships? If the goal is to make "older" ships better, new ships today will be old at some point down the road. Or is this only intended to pre-lockbox ships?
Bridge Modules are intended for ships that are Pre- F2P at first. Later i think ships that are older than 2 years could be included IMO.

The important thing about Bridge Modules is, that they won't be the newest and most up to date BOFF/Console Layouts in STO, like the Moonbosh Battleship is today for example.
They would give Players the choice to use one or maybe two years older Designs like the D'Kora BOFF/Console Layout on their ship (just an example).


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Originally Posted by wesleycrasher View Post
It's a canon idea, at least. The Galaxy Class, according to the fluff, was extremely modular and was designed to be easily rearranged to suit the situation. Likewise, the Enterprise-D was supposed to have left spacedock with 35% of its interior space empty, to be allocated as needing during missions. Unfortunately none of this translated to STO and the Galaxy is one of the most rigid and awful ships in the game.

Also they won't even consider your ideas, because it would take too much effort. You gotta aim low to be heard.
I don't know if it would mean too much work and i don't know about the actual inner design of Cryptics game engine, but i am sure if they wanted to they could realize it.


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Originally Posted by valoreah View Post
Another question... would the cost for your item be in addition to the cost of the ship from the store? Reason I ask is, wouldn't this technically be making the older ships even more expensive?
Yes, the original C-Store prices wouldn't be touched.

But if you buy a new Bridge module for Crusiers, you can apply it on any cruisers unlocked for this service. (the same applies to science ships and Escorts, of course). The bridge Modules you have bought stay yours. Only the installment on a ship will cost a "installment - token" (or however you want to call it).


To answer your question, no it wouldn't make older ships more expensive. You could fly them just as they are, as long as STOs servers run. But changing their BOFF/Console Layout costs some ZEN.
I'm thinking about masses of installed BOFF/Console Layouts per day, it would mean a inexhaustible source of money for Cryptic.

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Originally Posted by rahmkota19 View Post
1. Don't think this will happen, neither do I want it. Ships come with a play style. No need to change that.

2. In what way are older ships outclassed? My Excelsior and B'rel (both pretty old ships compared to lockbox ships) still perform excellently. They do not outclass my Mogai or my Jem HEC (both pretty new ships).

3. would be fun to see these on, for example, tuffli's. Would love to see a fleet of Tuffli's ripping apart the Borg Queen's vessel .
Not every ship is a good as the Excelsior in STO.
Think about the Star Cruiser, GCS or various KDF battlecrusiers BOFF layout for example.
Some of them are pretty new (in universe) designs but still totally outclassed by 50 years old Galor Classes for example. I don't know about you but for me THIS is rediculus.
And no one said that a Tuffly would be included into this service. Thats just a nonsense argument to make this whole idea look absurd.



Maybe not everyone may like it, but i think it would at least allow most Starfleet or other factions ships to stay more or less up to date, instead of becoming more and more obsolete.
I'm thinking about the future of STO, let's say in two or four years, most of the main factions ships will be just a lame joke compared to all the lockbox and other new ships. Bridge modules would be a chance to keep them up to date AND give a player the option to modify it the way they want, to make it more suitable to his/her playstyle.




As i said this idea is just a WIP, details are up for discussion of course.

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# 9
09-06-2013, 09:05 PM
1st sry for mi english

i think the best way to get some thing like this is the "Exchange" the BOFF layout from ship to ship , this goin to be expensive for the true fans of star trek but is the only way i can see cryptic will do because they want money more than keep a more real star trek game (sad true) but i cant blame them they need the money to keep working.


so some rules for this:

1 Rule:

the exchanges can doit only by class crucier<->crucier NOT escort <-> crucier or scie

2 rule :

this exchange can be only doit in utopia planitia (or whatever is writed)

3 rule :

a time penalty goin to be needed until next exchange so the system is not abused




im open to any constructive opinion
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# 10
09-06-2013, 11:43 PM
It is an interesting idea but I dont like the idea of being for older ships only as newer ships are meant to be somewhat modular as well. Bridge layout would be simple to do and have only a few choices per ship. like swap the 2 lowest seats only, one that swaps the 2 middle seats, and one that swaps consoles only but not the console slots that go with the ship, cruisers cannot swap engi console as example. console and lowest seat for 750 zen and middle seats for 1k zen. Then 1 that reverts it back to original.

I really see no need for a cooldown, if someone wants to spend the money and swap bridge layouts 200 times in a day then let them. Restrictions should be limited to ship type cannot swap the console type that goes with it and universal BOFF's cannot be swapped. You cn only use 1 at a time not boff and console swap together. last restriction, BOFF swaps are based off the original setup, not a modified setup. Those restrictions adds enough to prevent some ships from becoming overpowered and some like the fleet assault cruiser a fools move to do.
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