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# 21
09-06-2013, 07:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ursusmorologus View Post
Cmdr Tac seat makes it better than the Fleet Tor'Kaht. Plus the fact that this ship can simply leave the fight whenever it wants to. And you forgot the singularity powers, so it has Singularity Jump and Quantum Absorption on top of the superior handling.

TT1 CRF1 TS3 APO3
TT1 CRF1
EPtS1 RSP1 AtSIF2
EPtW1
HE1 TSS2

2x AP Conn DOFFs
2x EPtX DCE DOFFs

Only reason to fly something else is if you're a sci
Yep, left off the Cmdr Tac for Cmdr Eng part...multiple threads, multiple conversations in game, should have taken my time more and checked that post.

As for the only reason to fly something else...definitely have to disagree on that. There are other Rom boats that folks are definitely going to prefer over this one. But there will also those that prefer this. It provides folks options.
Maal, Klingon, Mogh - Vegar, Orion, Marauder - R'ebel, Romulan, Haakona
Willard the Rat, Reman, F.T'varo - Rave, J.Trill, Kar'Fi - Mysk, Gorn, Varanus
Kopor, Nausicaan, Guramba - Nivuh, Ferasan, B'rel - Venit, Lethean, M.Qin

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# 22
09-06-2013, 08:09 PM
The single ensign eni kills it.

Forces you to run an engi Lt Cmd... making it yet another underpowered... over healing Piece or sillyness.

Honestly for making it more of an escort I think the idea of the uni lt cmd should have been thrown out.

Give it Commander and Lt Cmd tac... with Engi and Sci LT..... and make the ensign Universal.... As odd as it sounds that would in fact make the thing more versatile. lol
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# 23
09-06-2013, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
The single ensign eni kills it.
If you're team-centric and trust your healer yeah. If you trust them that much, slot the uni as tac and get 4/3/2 with a lone ensign engi--you got a healer right ;D

Quote:
Give it Commander and Lt Cmd tac... with Engi and Sci LT..... and make the ensign Universal.... As odd as it sounds that would in fact make the thing more versatile. lol
aka Fleet Patrol Escort
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# 24
09-06-2013, 08:29 PM
I tryd this ship with 3xdual cannon quad cannons, and 3 turrents. when firing wepons my wepon energy falls to 80 but in few sec it rises to max, but engine energy drain from quad cannons restores much slower.
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# 25
09-06-2013, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by antoniosalieri View Post
The single ensign eni kills it.

Forces you to run an engi Lt Cmd... making it yet another underpowered... over healing Piece or sillyness.

Honestly for making it more of an escort I think the idea of the uni lt cmd should have been thrown out.

Give it Commander and Lt Cmd tac... with Engi and Sci LT..... and make the ensign Universal.... As odd as it sounds that would in fact make the thing more versatile. lol
How many Cmdr Tac/LCdr Eng are there? The Risian? There's a bunch of Cmdr Tac/LCdr Sci...

It's about overall options, no? Not necessarily about the same options on a bunch of ships...
Maal, Klingon, Mogh - Vegar, Orion, Marauder - R'ebel, Romulan, Haakona
Willard the Rat, Reman, F.T'varo - Rave, J.Trill, Kar'Fi - Mysk, Gorn, Varanus
Kopor, Nausicaan, Guramba - Nivuh, Ferasan, B'rel - Venit, Lethean, M.Qin
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# 26
09-06-2013, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
How many Cmdr Tac/LCdr Eng are there? The Risian? There's a bunch of Cmdr Tac/LCdr Sci...

It's about overall options, no? Not necessarily about the same options on a bunch of ships...
Doesn't this ship have a similar set up with the Akira Escort carrier, but with out the Carrier slot and with a Battle cloak for the most part?
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# 27
09-06-2013, 08:46 PM
The Plasma Quads for my Romulan Tac, who is allied with the KDF, sound like the Quad Disruptors. I am going to guess that the sound effects of the Quad Plasma Cannons are dictated by the faction you ally with. Frankly they need to have their own sound and not borrow the sound from one of the other Quad Cannons.
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# 28
09-06-2013, 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by webdeath View Post
Doesn't this ship have a similar set up with the Akira Escort carrier, but with out the Carrier slot and with a Battle cloak for the most part?
The HEC is...

X, X, X, X
X, X
X

X, X, X
X, X

The Ar'kif is...

X, X, X, X
X, X

X
X, X
X, X, X

I look at it more as a "slight" Mogai-variant...

X, X, X, X
X, X

X, X, X
X
X, X

Where my Ar'kif would be...

X, X, X, X
X, X

X, X, X
X

X, X

And my Mogai would be...

X, X, X, X
X, X

X, X, X
X, X
X


Basically a difference of the En being Eng or Sci for the BOFF layout.

Which raises the question about where the 10th console will be on the Fleet version.

Both the Ar'kif and Mogai Retros are 4/3/2. The Fleet Mogai goes 4/4/2 - will the Fleet Ar'kif go 4/3/3?

I can see folks wanting the Fleet Patrol BOFF layout - it's a layout I'm fond of myself. But imho, that would kill off various other Rom boats.

Cryptic purposefully builds little imperfections into ships - otherwise why would anybody buy any ship but the one? Even the Fleet Patrol will have issues compared to other vessels - there's no perfect ship - there shouldn't be. Perhaps perfect for certain players, but not perfect in general...eh?
Maal, Klingon, Mogh - Vegar, Orion, Marauder - R'ebel, Romulan, Haakona
Willard the Rat, Reman, F.T'varo - Rave, J.Trill, Kar'Fi - Mysk, Gorn, Varanus
Kopor, Nausicaan, Guramba - Nivuh, Ferasan, B'rel - Venit, Lethean, M.Qin
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# 29
09-06-2013, 09:13 PM
The Jem'Hadar Dreadnought has the same officer layout as the Mogai Retrofit, and the JH HEC swaps the Lt Tac for Lt Eng.

The "Perfect" ship would probably look like a Fleet Norgh without the pesky health penalties and a 10th console lying around somewhere.
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# 30
09-06-2013, 09:13 PM
I stand by my opinion.... all these escorts running around with 4-5 Engi or Sci slots is 99% of the issue with escort/warbirds in the game right now.

To much healing junk...

I say give it uni Ensign instead... then you can run it like a defiant or patrol or advanced escort.... I thought this was supposed to be the tactical ship ?

As it is its just another Lt Cmd... Engi/Sci Fail boat.

Sure you can throw another tactical in there and rely on an extend circle jerk but no thanks... if you really want to do that I have a feeling there are much better options.
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