Commander
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 436
First of all: This is not a whiny "I want a Battlecloak on my Defiant/Gal-X" - Thread.
It's about Romulans and the advantages of their Battle Cloaks in PvP.
I decided to return to PvP after LoR launched after a long "PvP Break", and i recognised that the team with more romulans is usually the winning team (yeah i even saw a Fed-Rom Fleet T'vario team beat up Klingons)

It seems like the Battle Cloak is a significant Advantage in PvP (although i never PvPed with a Battle Cloaking ship myself), that was earlier only available to BoPs and they had to sacrifice lots of Hull, Shield strength and a Weapon slot for it, compared to ships with a standard cloak/no cloak.

Now with the Romulans you have ships that have Battle Cloaks AND full hull/shield strength and a 4/3 (Yes even 5/3) Weapons layout, and they have to give up NOTHING for it (i dont see the Sing cores as a disadvantage in this case, since you get the Sing abilities in exchange for some energy) i see Feds and even Klingons fall behind in competitive combat.

I've got a great example for this, let's just compare the Fleet Ha'feh Assault Warbird (http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Ha%27feh_Assault_Warbird) to the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit (http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Tactical_Escort_Retrofit)
The Fleet Ha'Feh has 1.1k more Hull, 0.99 Shields (compared to 0.9) , an (Integrated!) Battle Cloak, More Crew and a more useful BOFF layout at the expense of ... 1 Turn and 30 Inertia, Srsly!?

2nd Example: Fleet T'varo Light Warbird Retrofit (http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_T%27v...rbird_Retrofit) against the B'rel Fleet Bird-of-Prey Retrofit (http://sto.gamepedia.com/B%27rel_Fle...-Prey_Retrofit)

Okay, let's go...
The T'vario has ...
... 5k(!) More hull, 0.11 more Shields, okay, it has less turn rate i admit, one more boff (yeah the b'rel is universal, but anyways...) and the better console layout...

my 3rd Example was the Scimitar (because the Shields-while-cloaked console is another HUGE advantage) vs the Gal-X (the Fed ship that comes closest to the Scim), but i recognise that's ridiculous, so i leave it out.

EDIT: I want to add one more thing i forgot (the most annoying one and probably the most unfair advantage): They can cloak whenever they want, even if i get someone down to let's say 10% hp, he battle cloaks, heals again and never died (with luck i could get him with a HY torp, but its likely that it's not available in that moment or that it's a scimitar with shield-cloak)

In my opinion this is a MASSIVE balancing issue, that most players don't even recognise because they don't PvP.

Please Comment and Discuss, any comments are welcome, also those against my opinion, but please no Rage/Spam comments

I Support the Jupiter & Typhoon classes as playable ships! (As do about 150 other Supporters)

Last edited by ltdata96; 08-29-2013 at 07:59 AM.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,702
# 2
08-29-2013, 07:12 AM
Sorry to be so blunt: WAD.

Rommies have massive advantages outside of battle cloak.

OP by design.
Joined 06.10
PvP 2010-2011
PvP 2012-2013
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 436
# 3
08-29-2013, 07:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by havam View Post
Sorry to be so blunt: WAD.

Rommies have massive advantages outside of battle cloak.

OP by design.
I don't even want to start discussing all unbalance given to Roms (starting from Traits to free Crit/Cloak - Boffs) that would take too long, i would just like to hear if other (FED) PvP players also share my opinion /don't share it (and why they don't)

I Support the Jupiter & Typhoon classes as playable ships! (As do about 150 other Supporters)
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,926
# 4
08-29-2013, 07:26 AM
As you yourself stated in the OP... don't care.

Do I see it, though? *nods in response to his own question*
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, lovely, I can't even requote the Douglas Adams quote I used to have here I WANT IT BACK!!!!
Dalo Lorn
DaloLorn, StarCraft 2 Roleplayer and proud of it.
Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 1,742
# 5
08-29-2013, 07:30 AM
with the Massive crit chance a romulan has about 50% more overall DPS on Avg any class

plus battle cloak without using a console slot

A better singularity core over the std core's

Double the amout of duty officers you can recruit for free

overall better ships and Boff layouts except maybe in science

It is clear cryptic wants everyone to roll new characters buy new ships to remain competitive because your old Fed and klingon characters ae now inferior in almost every way to the new romulan characters in space

many in our fleet are close too 10K avg Dps some over 10k dps with there romulans ships
Romulans in some lock box ships are much higher in dps

Crit chance is WAY out of hand

Go romulan or go home
Jellico....Engineer.....Stargazer KDF Tac
Saphire.. Science.....Ko'el Rom Kdf Tac
Leva........Tactical.....Mailu KDF Sci

JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Captain
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,710
# 6
08-29-2013, 07:43 AM
the thing that pisses me off is i can't blind fire at them

The number of times i KNOW where they are still and am not allowed to fire, i just wish i was allowed to hit Fire at will and have a full ventral phaser spread , and i should be aloud to fire a single torpedo at whatever i hit in the spread


in my opinion it would somewhat reduce the ability to hide in cloak near to your target and pounce on them , giving some limited balance back in favor of the non cloaking player


These are the Voyages on the STO forum, the final frontier. Our continuing mission: to explore Pretentious Posts, to seek out new Overreactions and Misinformation , to boldly experience Cynicism like no man has before.......
Starfleet Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 132
# 7
08-29-2013, 07:47 AM
Is there a chance, that you can interrupt cloaking if you hit the ship while activating the cloak?
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,263
# 8
08-29-2013, 07:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by darthpetersen View Post
Is there a chance, that you can interrupt cloaking if you hit the ship while activating the cloak?
Only if the cloak in question is NOT a Battle Cloak (Defiant or Gal-X cloak, for example). Battle cloaks can still finish their cloaking cycle regardless of being hit or not.

stardestroyer001, VA Explorers Fury | Retired STO Player
My Useful List of STO Forum Threads, Ship Builds & More! | My Forum Gripes
PvP: PvP Boot Camp, the best newbie oriented training initiative in STO!
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 436
# 9
08-29-2013, 07:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stardestroyer001 View Post
Only if the cloak in question is NOT a Battle Cloak (Defiant or Gal-X cloak, for example). Battle cloaks can still finish their cloaking cycle regardless of being hit or not.
And that's the point, they can escape, even if theyre heavily damaged, if i am, i can run away but they'll chase me, and i have (nearly) no chance to escape... And that makes the whole thing frustrating

I Support the Jupiter & Typhoon classes as playable ships! (As do about 150 other Supporters)
Captain
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 3,577
# 10
08-29-2013, 08:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by darthpetersen View Post
Is there a chance, that you can interrupt cloaking if you hit the ship while activating the cloak?
Yes but it requires you to have to knock out their aux power completely to 0.
[Combat (Self)] Your Lunge deals 3252 (1916) Physical Damage(Critical) to Heavy Tactical Drone.
If you have come to the forums, to complain about the AFK penalty, than it is WAI.
MACO/OMEGA/KHG Accolade Bug Link
Praetor of The Romulan Tal Shiar fleet
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:54 AM.