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# 11
09-24-2013, 01:35 AM
The Gal X needs a battle cloak as well ...and without a console either just like the romulans

The defiant console needs to go as well and recieve a battle cloak

Or add consoles to all other cloaked ships

Fed ships need a 50% increase in damage and DHcs mountable on all cruisers with a 50% turn rate increase to be equal to the romulan ships which are bigger but can turn twice as fast !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KDF a 50% increase in damage

Too counter the 11.5% crit chanve given to romulans on the bridge officers

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# 12
09-24-2013, 01:44 AM
Also before Mimey tears me up for agreeing, disagreeing and then agreeing again

We all i believe have a tendency to look at this wrong, The Defiant is the Defiant, BUT the B'Rel is NOT the KDF Defiant.

That honor goes to the Qin Heavy raptor.(at least its quite alot closer)....
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# 13
09-24-2013, 02:17 PM
Again, i think that ALL cloaks need to be battle cloak, that's just how they work in Canon, so it is how the cloak should work in game. However, with that said, the B'Rel could always use a little love as well. While i like the idea of adding a third rear slot, or another ensign slot, i really don't know what would be the better way to enhance it as it's already a nifty little ship, though it should by all rights get something for the change to basic cloak.

I would definitely like to see the Cloak no longer require a console from the Gal-x, but for some reason feel that it would be okay to leave it as a console for the Defiant as part of a set as well as balance issues. If anything though, the Galaxy-X definitely needs some love the most as it's a $25 ship, and it kind of sucks, not to metion that it's lance has been replaced by the superior lotus as well as better cruisers. I feel that the Lance should be over powered in a way, like the Scimitar's three piece blast. Needless to say, there are a lot of ships that would benefit from being given a pass to make sure they're up to standards, and those three would fit the bill nicely.
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# 14
09-25-2013, 04:53 AM
Lol, well this turned into another "feds need Battle Cloak " thread quick........
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# 15
09-27-2013, 12:38 PM
Wouldn't it be fair to make the Federation version of the proposed "Battle Cloak" set, ONLY part of a set bonus (2-set = Quads cannons + console; or 3-set =Quad cannons+console+Regen shield array), AND make the 'cloaking' console piece, a "tactical" console (it is called a "Battle" cloak). It would act as a regular cloak when equipped alone.

It would be far from OP, it would help to break up "cookie cutter" builds, and ensure you can't have 5 tactical consoles and battle cloak, as anyone on the other end of your alpha would complain about it being the new OP build.

Leave the current FED stand-alone cloak "as is", so it CAN be used with the 5 tactical consoles.

...and ...

You could tie the tiered sets to Romulan reputation, specific ships, or whatever time-sink/Dill sink/Zen Sink you want it to be, so its not easy to gain.
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# 16
10-01-2013, 05:33 PM
Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
Lol, well this turned into another "feds need Battle Cloak " thread quick........
I think for me personally, i would rather just have the cloaks work as they did in canon, even if it meant that only the two fed ships had them, but i also feel that they should also show the advancements that were made as well. I did suggest that some other fed ships could get them, but said it should be limited if done at all, but i would much rather see more interesting ways of using them.

I'm trying not to sound like a "feds need battle cloak" poster, but at the same time, Cloak needs to be more canon.
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# 17
10-02-2013, 08:37 AM
Originally Posted by wraithshadow13 View Post
I'm trying not to sound like a "feds need battle cloak" poster, but at the same time, Cloak needs to be more canon.
Start by fixing KDF cloaks, you know the faction that is canon for having cloaks. Then go back and adjust the 2 ships feds have that can use cloaks. Don't start by saying fixin our one ship (read Defiant) and in exchange we'll fix the BOP. I think we all know that someday, Cryptic will finally get around to adjusting the hull points and shield mod of BOPs once everyone refuses to fly them anymore (i.e. pay for them). Just look at the recent buff to the tactical warbird.

Pffftt a real exchange would be to upgrade the battlecruisers and Raptors cloaking. If anything they have a better argument for BC then the Defiant. It was atleast designed from the ground up with a cloaking device. Klingons have used them for centuries and maybe its just me, but when I watched DS9, 9 times out of 10 the Defiant's cloak failed when they seemed to need it the most. It rarely worked once they were getting fired at. It was like the first thing to go offline in every episode.
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# 18
10-02-2013, 09:10 AM
I do not agree with OP .

Defiant is better in stats than any KDF raptor (hull/shield mod/turn rate) and above that has 5 tactical consoles and no turning point issue so if it would get an battlecloak then it would be the the ultimate escort and it would be , in my opinion,equal to erasing the bop class from game

OP forgets that Federation got PL and with that all federation ships got a energy buff while Kdf ships remained unchanged when LoR was introduced

I think that Kdf ships need to get something (somebody said "klingon opera " ) just to be fair with Federation getting PL.
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# 19
10-03-2013, 08:32 AM
It would love it if they would modify the Defiant's existing universal cloaking module.

Something along the lines of.....

If you put the cloaking console into a science/engineering slot it works as it does now. If you put cloaking console into a tactical slot it takes up two of the slots(maybe grey-out one other tactical slot), and turns the ability into a battle cloak. So if you placed the cloak on a fleet defiant in a tactical console slot, then you would end up with 3 useable tactical console slots. This could put it on par with other ships as far as how many tactical console slots you should have on an escort with battle cloak capabilities.

I don't frequent the forums often enough to know if this specific suggestion has been made. I only know they seem to get made a lot, but I hope something like this becomes a reality some day.

*edit - Just to clarify I'm referring to the normal Battle Cloak, and the Defiant being able to cloak while in combat. I'm not talking about the Enhanced Battle Cloak.

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# 20
10-03-2013, 08:40 AM
Originally Posted by dova25 View Post
I think that Kdf ships need to get something (somebody said "klingon opera " ) just to be fair with Federation getting PL.
But, but, we got the Emission-seeking Torpedo, right? Oh. I see.

Also: I think Defiant should indeed be compared to raptors rather than bops, but most Defiant > all Raptors. And Romulans > all BoPs.

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