Captain
Join Date: Jan 2013
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# 71
11-10-2013, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by shaanithegreen View Post
I honestly don't think the Ha'nom is that bad.
The Ha'nam is every bit as good as the Ha'feh, both fine ships. How many people prefer something other than the He'feh though? I personally do not see many He'fehs at all, the other ships are simply more fun. We need the same for Science.

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Originally Posted by jexsamx View Post
I don't care how Sci-like you can finagle the various Escorts the Romulans have, that does not make them Science vessels nor does it relieve the need for a Cmdr Sci BOff slot on a more agile ship option. Just one ship would be fine.
THIS! Something like a Vesta or a Reconnaissance Science Vessel would be perfect.

I do like the Ha'nom but something smaller and more nimble is very much needed. Currently I have the fleet Dhelan, and though I can equip 1 or 2 offensive science abilities, it is nothing like flying a science vessel.

In a proper science ship I can GW, tyken's rift, and energy syphon some bad guys while still keeping TBR handy in case I need to push dudes away from something. In a sciscort I can do half of that AT MOST. Turns out it is like flying a tactical vessel without tactical abilities and without science abilities. It is a fun diversion, but I rolled a science toon to play with science powers and only having one ship to choose from is seriously lame.

The worst part is that they have released several escorts and cruisers since LOR's launch, with no thought to science, who started off with the least amount of choices.

Last edited by jagdhippies; 11-11-2013 at 12:10 AM.
Commander
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 463
# 72
11-11-2013, 04:53 AM
The 3 Ha'noms are just fine. I like them.

They are definitely either too big or badly (3-D) modeled though. The depth of field can be a real issue when trying to effectively use ship centered abilities such as Scattering Field, Charged particle Burst and Photonic Shockwave. Part of the problem is that the ship itself seems to take up half the range of those abilities. I've got no issue with the boff seating or the stats and turn rate though. I just want my decision to fly a Romulan Sci ship to actually involve a decision beyond ship class, such as which sci ship.

There's a very strong case for the KDF deserving a new sci ship before Roms get another, but then again, it's also true that the KDF didn't recently have 6 months of development from the ground up put into it only to find that going 10 levels without a tac ship was apparently so insufferable that yet another Romulan tac ship had to be released.

I get that the D'deridex is not everyone's cup of tea, but a sci ship could have probably solved the problem that is supposed to have resulted in the release of the Ar'kala/Ar'kif just as well. As much as I like the Tactical Warbird Carrier Retrofit, probably soon to be Fleet Tactical Carrier Warbird Retrofit (wth cryptic? shorter names please ), at the precise moment it was released, there was already a highly disproportionate ratio of new (with LoR) Rom Tac ships and little, if any, need for another.

I think that is the root of a lot, if not most of the sci ship related frustration we see expressed on the forums, especially amid all the 'RomTacScorts Online' talk.

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Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 73
11-11-2013, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jexsamx View Post
The Republic needs something faster, more Vesta-like.
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Originally Posted by jagdhippies View Post
THIS! Something like a Vesta or a Reconnaissance Science Vessel would be perfect.
Well be happy because as I posted here in this thread a few days ago:

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Originally Posted by tlamstrike View Post
According to Capt. Geko the next Romulan ship will be their answer to the Vesta.
My Romulan Liberated Borg character made it to Level 30 and beat the (old) Defense of New Romulus with the skill point bug.
Captain
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# 74
11-11-2013, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tlamstrike View Post
Well be happy because as I posted here in this thread a few days ago:
I just hope it is true and that we don't get stuck with some BS that won't be worth equipping (would not be the first time)
Captain
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# 75
11-11-2013, 03:40 PM
I have to question what the real issue is. Is it a need for a "real" science ship, or is it not knowing how a science ship runs?

Science ships should be running high auxiliary and ripping stuff up with their rascally scientific voodoo. Science ships don't do real high damage with their weapons. They have less of them. They are also having to switch constantly between power settings or finding a happy medium on a power setting, unless they are a Vesta using Aux DHCs. Anyone flying a sci ship can attest to the increased effort to set up attacks and the increased time it takes to finish fights. Sci ship captains have a very high skill point investment to be effective at either crowd control, countermeasures, debuffs or disables, or healing. Countermeasures or jamming (mez) is nearly useless in STO so toss that out. Crowd Control is only useful if it can keep up with DPS and make up for lack of weapons or if it increases survivabilty by taking enemies out of the fight until the captain can take some out and reduce the number they are fighting.

The real issue here is the game structure for science. I fly a Ha'nom sci ship. It is slow, but largely the same as any other science ship except the Vesta. I am forcing myself to keep flying the Ha'nom as I find it boring unless I am teamed and able to offer sciency wizardlyness. I would be better off in a carrier or T'varo. So the problem does not seem to actually be the Romans need a science ship. The problem is the science ship and class mechanic.
Chingachgook told me, Don't try to understand them; and don't try to make them understand you. For they are a breed apart and make no sense.
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# 76
11-12-2013, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tancrediiv View Post
I have to question what the real issue is.
The real issue is there's only one proper science ship to fly Rom-side. I don't see how that's at all unclear here.

Which isn't to say the point you raise is untrue or invalid, it's just only marginally related to the issue at hand in this thread.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 65
# 77
11-12-2013, 08:41 PM
The real issue is that mere months into the game after launch, a vast amount of players with tactical captains flying escorts whined so much about "over-powered science abilities" that the devs nerfed them into near uselessness.
Here we still stand today, regardless of any "tweaks" we've gotten over the years.
Ensign
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 3
# 78 it all started .....
11-14-2013, 09:10 AM
when cruiser captains could no be bothered to turn of autofire when a sci ship pops fbp ..... next step..... VM can disable shields ... big nono and it goes donhill from there.

not to dwell on the past.... this is how sci skills stand now imho: Most of the skills are nerfed to uselessness to squeeze a little bit of juice from them ppl need to add doffs. but that has issues too IE deflector doff has no effect on TB and ES.

to get back on topic, there is nothing wrong with the romulan sci ship, ok ... it could use a bit of agility, but the main issue is that sci skills or maybe the whole mechanics need a serous overhaul.

In many posts I read that ppl comparing sci ships to one of the vesta variants, lrsv and rssv are as agile as the vesta something in that range would be more than fine even if it has no hangar bay.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 65
# 79
11-14-2013, 01:42 PM
Has anyone yet tried the new Voth science ship with a Romulan science captain?
It looks like it may be just the thing some people were looking for, albeit having to go to the extra effort trying to snag one.
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# 80
11-14-2013, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by aevlom View Post
Has anyone yet tried the new Voth science ship with a Romulan science captain?
It looks like it may be just the thing some people were looking for, albeit having to go to the extra effort trying to snag one.
Im on the fence about it, I have the lobi and have been desperately awaiting a science vessel romulans can use (good thing we got that tactical warbird earlier)
my main issue is,
A I don't care for the look of it
B Its not romulan
C soon as I spend the lobi on it cryptic will announce a vesta like vessel for romulans......

im very confused on which way to go...hold out and hope for season 14 when romulans get a science vessel (for a faction that is deeply rooted in science) or just get it now...altho id rather have the temporal ship...its pretty much the same but at least has a more romulan look to it
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