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Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
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With the advent of the release of the Avenger Class Battlecruiser, I've pretty much lost hope in pretty much all offensive-style cruisers. Excelsiors, Sovereigns, Galaxy-X's, and Galor will pretty much be dust in the wind compared to the uber damage dealing Avenger, with such better stats than all of them. The Avenger even has access to a cloak! Most likely, only the Monbosh will ever compete with the Avenger as the top-end battlecruiser.

So to all Excelsior, Sovereign, Galor, or other Feds, how will they ever compete with the Avenger, which is basically a compact Scimitar for the Feds?
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 2
10-08-2013, 07:19 PM
The first thing they'll do is wait for the final Avenger stats to be released.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 955
# 3
10-08-2013, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
The first thing they'll do is wait for the final Avenger stats to be released.
The stats posted from a test server point to a ship that is pretty much superior to the Excelsior and Soveriegn -- roughly equal hull values, higher shield modifier, higher turn rate, more Tactical console slots, and a better Boff layout.

Of course, it is a Test server, so these stats may not be final.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Aug 2013
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# 4
10-08-2013, 07:33 PM
Pretty much what he said. I'm waiting to see if the stats change (they ought to, its too strong) or if the boosted powers introduced would actually benefit other ships.

I highly doubt it'll help my Oddy enough, but you never know. It might be the perks of having any option available to shift on a dime for the situation could leave it in a good place.

It could just gimp it as the focused attack-oriented Battle Cruiser is really that far ahead and those few perks are all it needs to stay ahead.

I'm sure we'll see later.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,949
# 5
10-08-2013, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by thratch1 View Post
The stats posted from a test server point to a ship that is pretty much superior to the Excelsior and Soveriegn -- roughly equal hull values, higher shield modifier, higher turn rate, more Tactical console slots, and a better Boff layout.

Of course, it is a Test server, so these stats may not be final.
Brandon has already confirmed that the stats have changed - and they usually do. That's why all the stat blogs always say "subject to change" at the bottom of them.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,203
# 6
10-08-2013, 08:36 PM
Sovie, and Excel will still compete. people have good builds on them, they are cannon, and better looking. Cryptic should fire their design department for every ship they bring out is butt ugly
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 7
10-08-2013, 08:38 PM
I recently commented on how the Avenger changes things for the cruisers of the Federation.

If you ask me, the Excelsior and the Regent are all in reasonably good places.
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Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 91
# 8
10-08-2013, 08:47 PM
I fly a Fleet assault cruiser and I'm not worried. I find the Avenger offers a different gameplay experience without making making the Fleet Sovereign and Fleet Excelsior obsolete. It fills a new niche as a dual cannon wielding Fed cruiser. The BIG advantage that the Avenger brings to FEd cruisers is a very high, escort like spike damage potential. Fleet Sovereigns and Excelsiors will continue to be awesome as beam boats.
Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 968
# 9
10-08-2013, 09:03 PM
They'll nerf the shields to 1.1 and the Avenger will just lose a tiny sliver of hull and a device slot for +1 turning, dhc, and cloak usage.
The Somraw, K'tinga, D'Kyr, D7, Kumari, Xindi carrier, Xindi escort, and the T'Varo are all older than the Constitution Refit and yet they are tier 5. The rule needs to change.
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,914
# 10
10-09-2013, 02:22 AM
I don't care what the Avenger looks like in the end, my fleet Excel will certainly give it a run for it's money.
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