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Ok, so I have been a Star Wars fan my whole life until Lucas ruined it with those travesties of film, the prequels. I tried STO just to see how I'd like it and I'm pleasantly surprised. I find the game to be a lot of fun and I don't have to play 12 hours a day to get decent stuff. In order to better understand the lore of the game and some of the allusions made to the t.v. shows and movies I've been watching the shows on Netflix, and there is where I'm having trouble.

Let me say that, thus far, I do like the movies. My problem is with the shows. I've been switching back and forth between TOS and TNG and plan on moving on from there. My problem is that there isn't a lot going on so far. It seems that in both series, the most common problem (I am still in season 1 of both) is a ship-wide disease or phenomenon that either changes everyone to a different person or lays the crew low until someone comes up with a solution in the nick of time. If it isn't that, it seems the away team is cut off from the Enterprise and can't beam up because _____________________________.
When do the Klingons and Romulans make an appearance? When do the plots become more varied? Do they? Please tell me it gets better. I really like the game and the whole idea of Star Trek, but I need something to keep me watching the t.v. shows. Anyone?
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# 2
10-14-2013, 01:19 PM
The thing to understand is that in every Trek series (and, for that matter, most TV shows period), it takes a few episodes or even the entire first season for the actors and writers to really find their groove. Until then, everyone's finding their characters, establishing the setting, and generally throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks and what doesn't.

In TNG, the shift to stuff that's actually good occurs sometime around the second season, and is more or less simultaneous with Will Riker (Jonathan Frakes) growing a beard, with the result that "growing the beard" is enshrined in fan jargon as the moment when a show does just that. This isn't to say there weren't some good episodes in the first season of both that and TOS, but the odds are in your favor from second season on that any given episode will be worth watching.

Third season of TOS is likely to be... disappointing for you, but not as much as for the fans who, fifty years ago, had a then-unprecedented letter-writing campaign to keep it on the air, only to be rewarded with such notoriously silly scripts as "Spock's Brain". TNG managed to avoid that fate and just keep getting better. Consider yourself warned and encouraged.

As someone who's been a fan of both Star * franchises since the 70s, welcome to this side! If you have a little patience and an open mind, I think you'll be rewarded. Just think of the first season(s) as having to sit through the prequels before getting to the classic trilogy.
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# 3
10-14-2013, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by salynrayder View Post
Ok, so I have been a Star Wars fan my whole life until Lucas ruined it with those travesties of film, the prequels. I tried STO just to see how I'd like it and I'm pleasantly surprised. I find the game to be a lot of fun and I don't have to play 12 hours a day to get decent stuff. In order to better understand the lore of the game and some of the allusions made to the t.v. shows and movies I've been watching the shows on Netflix, and there is where I'm having trouble.

Let me say that, thus far, I do like the movies. My problem is with the shows. I've been switching back and forth between TOS and TNG and plan on moving on from there. My problem is that there isn't a lot going on so far. It seems that in both series, the most common problem (I am still in season 1 of both) is a ship-wide disease or phenomenon that either changes everyone to a different person or lays the crew low until someone comes up with a solution in the nick of time. If it isn't that, it seems the away team is cut off from the Enterprise and can't beam up because _____________________________.
When do the Klingons and Romulans make an appearance? When do the plots become more varied? Do they? Please tell me it gets better. I really like the game and the whole idea of Star Trek, but I need something to keep me watching the t.v. shows. Anyone?


Your patience will be rewarded, it took till about the end of season one for tng to find it's wings, sorta the same with tos to answer your question about romulans they show up in the very last episode of season 1 for tng and it picks up the pace in season two onwards. I just looked up memory alpha in tos the rommies show up in the episode balance of terror and Klingons in errand of mercy in season one.

I grew up with re-runs, being born in the early 90's and all.
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# 4
10-14-2013, 01:25 PM
Take this with a grain of salt since I've only seen scattered reruns of TNG and nothing at all of TOS. I prefer DS9, and I'm really more of a Stargate SG-1 fan.

From what I hear, TNG really started to get good at the beginning of season two. Like TMP, the first season had a case of "We listen to Roddenberry too much."* This is coincidentally when Jonathan Frakes grew his beard (even Roddenberry though Riker looked better), hence where we get the term "Growing the Beard". After this point, Riker stops being an expy of Kirk and the cast settles into better-defined roles. It also doesn't hurt that season one took place during a writers' strike, which ended over that summer.

* TNG initially had one of the same problems as the SW prequels, believe it or not: The mind behind the show (Roddenberry, Lucas) didn't have somebody with the authority and/or courage to tell him, "No, Gene/George, that's stupid."

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# 5
10-14-2013, 01:31 PM
Also keep in mind each series is its own animal. I don't know anyone that likes all 5 series. More than likely you'll enjoy 2 or 3 of them but find 1 or 2 that just don't click with you. In terms of popularity (it seems to me) most people like TNG but most people dislike Enterprise with TOS and DS9 being love it or hate it and not terribly strong opinions either way on Voyager.
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# 6
10-14-2013, 01:33 PM
Thanks for the encouragement. Y'all (I'm from Georgia) make some good points. Perhaps I will stick it out and see what happens. Thanks for the replies.
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# 7
10-14-2013, 01:40 PM
Original series is so 60's it hurts so pinch of salt, TNG, DS9 and VOY i would say get good at season 3 onwards, enterprise was so random its hit an miss, just give all the trek time to grow on you an forget that silly fairy tale in space....
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# 8
10-14-2013, 01:40 PM
TOS looks very dated by todays standards and TNG followed the formula very closely at the start. Honestly I'd skip TOS for the moment and focus on TNG.

By about season 3 TNG is rapidly turning into the best sci-fi show ever made so do stick with it as you will be rewarded. The difference between season 1 and 3 is almost beyond belief.

Also DS9 being my favourite series is also one to check out later, especially the later seasons which are heavily focused on character arcs, and a widescale galactic war.

Voyager and Ent are pretty fun too and the most modern of the trek's.

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# 9
10-14-2013, 01:44 PM
If you want good TNG, start with season 3.

That was not intended to rhyme, but it works.

There are a few appearances by the Romulans before that, but really TNG was stiff and cardboard-like, and suffered from serious writing problems in terms of idealism, among other things. Season 2 was better, but had its own problems. Season 3 seems to have been where things really got their shakedown, and things were moving at a steady clip at the season 3-4 break, where Best of Both Worlds happens.

There are a very few important season 1 and 2 episodes that you would do well to see (e.g. Encounter at Farpoint, just to introduce Q, and the Borg make their debut in season 2). However, beyond those, most of it's pretty skip-able.

Additionally you may consider Deep Space 9, but remember that it, too, took a bit to find its groove.
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# 10
10-14-2013, 02:33 PM
As folks have said, to me, TNG got awesome with the start of series 3. There were some stand out eps in season 1 and 2 (Conspiracy comes to mind, Q Who is an absolute MUST!) but season 3 is where the plots started to be more focused on characters, we start exploring more of the political nature of the universe and how people are trying to screw it up, moral dilemmas that are not so easy to justify on either side. I'm currently going through TNG again myself, and I'm half way through season 5. It really does get much better later on.


As for TOS.... in my mind, season 1 and 2 stayed the same. I really liked them and thought they had their groove from the get go (season 3.... The Enterprise Incident was the best ep, but there was some shoddy work in there), but they are a product of the 60's. There are some stand out episodes though, such as Space Seed, which introduces Khan from the second film, and 'Balance of Terror' which introduces the Romulans in a fantastic cat and mouse style. You should at least see those two episodes, as well as The Doomsday Machine if you like character pieces. But you do have to be able to get past the cheesiness of the 60's to enjoy TOS.
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