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# 81
10-19-2013, 01:36 PM
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Anyone taking bets on how soon these ships will be nerfed like the Borg were?

Anytime this game adds in new things that require actual tactics to overcome, people just whine and whine till it is nerfed down into being the same as every other enemy we face.

Breen power drain was nerfed, Borg firepower was nerfed, and so were the Undine's ship regenration. Not to mention all the nerfs to the Elachi.

I'm betting two weeks after launch all the escort players will complain about blowing themselves up so often fighting these guys, that we see most of their powers removed.

Hell, just think about back when the romulan defender de'driex came out accidentally, and how everyone completely freaked out because it could heal itself and didn't die in 5 secs like every other rom ship.
They'd better not. I want more interesting enemies to fight.
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# 82
10-19-2013, 02:41 PM
So, who's going to play the Jurassic Park Theme for the first visit to the Dyson Sphere?
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# 83
10-19-2013, 03:57 PM
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They'd better not. I want more interesting enemies to fight.
They better not. PvE needs a serious kick in the pants, currently AI couldnt fight its way out of a wet paper bag.
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# 84
10-19-2013, 06:13 PM
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As we approach the time of the Delta Quadrant I'd like to know who else would like to see the Monument from the Voyager Episode Memorial.
The device that gives everyone the memory of being a murderous war criminal? I would only want such a sadistic device in game if I got to plaster the whole planet with Photon Torpedoes.

I know I'm not the only one who thinks that the "Memorial" is really mass indoctrination tool to use on troops so they will have the memory of killing people they would otherwise consider to be innocents and thus be willing to pull the trigger in future combat.
My Romulan Liberated Borg character made it to Level 30 and beat the (old) Defense of New Romulus with the skill point bug.
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# 85
10-19-2013, 07:31 PM
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The device that gives everyone the memory of being a murderous war criminal? I would only want such a sadistic device in game if I got to plaster the whole planet with Photon Torpedoes.

I know I'm not the only one who thinks that the "Memorial" is really mass indoctrination tool to use on troops so they will have the memory of killing people they would otherwise consider to be innocents and thus be willing to pull the trigger in future combat.
Did you not watch the whole episode?


The easiest way to prevent people from committing crimes like that is for them to SEE (Experience the memory in this case) those very crimes being committed.

Not hear about the aftermath, or read about it on the base of a statue.
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# 86
10-19-2013, 09:03 PM
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Did you not watch the whole episode?


The easiest way to prevent people from committing crimes like that is for them to SEE (Experience the memory in this case) those very crimes being committed.

Not hear about the aftermath, or read about it on the base of a statue.
If this is true why do we still have repeat offenders of such crimes? The likelihood of, let's say, a civilian, in their lifetime being involved in such activities is extremely low. So why subject them to these memories if their ship just so happened to be passing by?
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# 87
10-19-2013, 10:07 PM
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Did you not watch the whole episode?


The easiest way to prevent people from committing crimes like that is for them to SEE (Experience the memory in this case) those very crimes being committed.

Not hear about the aftermath, or read about it on the base of a statue.
Well 1st off what gives the right to the people who built that thing to indiscriminately telepathically violate the minds of anyone who flew near that system? Making people believe that they committed war crimes then doing that to hundreds, thousands, perhaps millions of people is a heinous crime just as bad as the murder that took place on that world.

And 2nd what makes those people think that everyone who encounters that device will react the same way? There could very well be some alien culture who on experiencing that would relish in it.

finally 3rd all we have is Janeway and a translated inscription saying that this is a memorial to those killed. We have no cultural or political context over the construction of this device or of the massacre. If the group that built that thing were some kind of murderous fanatics who saw the colonists presence as wrong that inscription could be interpreted in the opposite way; words can't convey the suffering (of having non believers on this world), words alone can't prevent such people coming here form coming here again.
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# 88
10-19-2013, 10:50 PM
Voth Citadel-class Dreadnaughts and "these ships have been fitted with an internal wide-angle torpedo deployment system, allowing them to fire Transphasic Chroniton projectiles at any target nearby. Additionally, they can use this torpedo deployment system to project a series of seeking charges at all nearby targets, causing massive damage to any stationary enemy." makes me think they added another 1 hit kill super torpedo lhats impossible to defend against because it happens so fast you do not see it coming like the Borg do now. Instead of a Tachyon shield drain then torpedo we will get "multiple Aceton Drones" followed by the ever fun 1 hit kill torpedo's is what I am expecting. It's a lame mechanic for Borg please prove me wrong Cryptic.

As for the final thoughts part, we have borg tac cubes as outlined above and the Donatra for this little number, "frigates cloak defensively to become difficult to target or to flee." But happily the Donatra is a good mechanic adding challenge instead of just insta death by magic torps and plasma. So The ships look good and could possibly be a good fight but I have mixed feelings on weather it will be good or just annoying. Annoying like 1 hit kills that are unavoidable.
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# 89
10-19-2013, 11:28 PM
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EDIT: This is going to be very interesting once I get to the Voth in my fanfic...just how the hell is a Type V civilization going to deal with a borderline Type III like the Voth? O_o
Type V? Able to channel a sizable fraction of an entire universe? That's almost Q level. By comparison, civilizations like the Federation are at the upper end of Type I, and the ability to construct Dyson Spheres is a mid-Type II ability.
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# 90
10-20-2013, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by general1devon View Post
Probably bigger.

As we approach the time of the Delta Quadrant I'd like to know who else would like to see the Monument from the Voyager Episode Memorial.
That could make a good story for the game. But knowing cryptic they would probably dumb it down so much that I would rather not see it in the game. Nemesis could be another good one to add.

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Well 1st off what gives the right to the people who built that thing to indiscriminately telepathically violate the minds of anyone who flew near that system? Making people believe that they committed war crimes then doing that to hundreds, thousands, perhaps millions of people is a heinous crime just as bad as the murder that took place on that world.
We only saw the effect on crew when the monument wasn't fully powered. it seems that once it was at full power, the effects were much less traumatic on the rest of the crew. An that what made the episode interesting that a party thought that a crime was so hideous that they thought that such drastic measures were needed to try and prevent other people from committing such crimes.

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The device that gives everyone the memory of being a murderous war criminal? I would only want such a sadistic device in game if I got to plaster the whole planet with Photon Torpedoes.
What did you the right to destroy a war memorial?

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And 2nd what makes those people think that everyone who encounters that device will react the same way? There could very well be some alien culture who on experiencing that would relish in it.
May be they thought they would always control that portion of space and that only their own people would see the monument. May be they didn't think about it from that point of view.

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