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# 51
10-23-2013, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by roxbad View Post
Actually...

I think that there were many instances in ST Canon where diversified education/training were seen to be encouraged. Picard had a background in archeology. Was he a science officer? Kirk was said to be trained as both soldier and diplomat... and had enough geology and chemistry education to stir together some gunpowder for a makeshift cannon.

The class system is archaic and should be eliminated.
Picard was a Science Officer originally.

Kirk was an exception imo as it was well documented that he was more capable than pretty much any human alive at the time.

Personally I think the classes need to have their roles more strongly defined and their purposes more isolated from their counterparts so that we can get away from Star Trek: Tactical Escorts
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# 52
10-23-2013, 09:39 AM
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Picard was a Science Officer originally.
Outside of the Q timeline there's no indication that Picard was a science officer. He had an interest in Archaeology but he was a Conn Officer aboard the Stargazer. He went from Lt. Commander to Captain after taking command of the ship after the Captain was killed - a position he held for 22 years until the Stargazer was lost.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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# 53
10-23-2013, 09:53 AM
People have obviously a problem to understand that for that matter "Command" Should be a fourth choice...
Janeway was and in some form still IS a Science Officer... just that she took the Command Classes too...

Being in Command doesn't mean that you would know every single trick in tactical, engineering and science at once... if your background is Scientific you would still know more about scientific applications than you would about Tactical Maneuvres no matter how much you train the latter...
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# 54
10-23-2013, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gonjaa View Post
Kirk was an exception imo as it was well documented that he was more capable than pretty much any human alive at the time.
I bet if you were to ask Shatner, he feels he still is more capable than any other human alive. After all, he did change the world you know.

I seem to recall Kirk describing himself as "a soldier, not a diplomat".
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# 55
10-23-2013, 10:01 AM
Kirks Diplomacy usually was 1. Ask and 2. If Answer to 1. not satisfiable apply Fist to Face with Force
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# 56
10-23-2013, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by gonjaa View Post
Picard was a Science Officer originally.

Kirk was an exception imo as it was well documented that he was more capable than pretty much any human alive at the time.
Cosmic already pointed out the inaccuracy of that statement.

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Personally I think the classes need to have their roles more strongly defined and their purposes more isolated from their counterparts so that we can get away from Star Trek: Tactical Escorts
Doubling down on the class system is not the way to go about it. If, you want to devalue escorts, then set win conditions to that which cannot be achieved by an escort.

DPS is valued now, because practically every scenario in the game is designed to be won through high damage output.

But... that may be what the majority of players want. And like the network executives at NBC in 1963 who demanded that the first episode of the original series featured a proper monster to be killed, the gaming executives of the 21st century demand that the game based on that legacy is combat oriented. If it's in the way, kill it.
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# 57
10-23-2013, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by saekiith View Post
Being in Command doesn't mean that you would know every single trick in tactical, engineering and science at once... if your background is Scientific you would still know more about scientific applications than you would about Tactical Maneuvres no matter how much you train the latter...
And in the end, your abilities are the result of the choices you made throughout your career, not just at it's beginning.
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# 58
10-23-2013, 10:08 AM
Attack pattern alpha and subnucleonic beam together on one ship?

Really not a good idea. Only pvpers will care about such things though.
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# 59
10-23-2013, 10:09 AM
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Kirks Diplomacy usually was 1. Ask and 2. If Answer to 1. not satisfiable apply Fist to Face with Force
Kirk: "I am Captain James T. Kirk of the starship Enterprise. Our mission is peaceful. We request you communicate with us."

Uhura: "Message sent sir."

Kirk: "Any reply, lieutenant?"

Uhura: "No sir."

Kirk: "Mr. Sulu, arm phasers..."
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# 60
10-23-2013, 10:09 AM
cool so everyone would have subnuc and apa and all other powers would never be used.

this is in the category "pve heroes strike again".
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