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# 11
11-01-2013, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by neo1nx View Post
yes for the return of the cloack as integrated, not a console.
cryptic seem to think that the cloack on the dreadnought was somekind of "favor" they give to the federation player.
hey!! wake up! the fact that the galaxy x got a cloack is CANON, why should we loose stats for having one, especially when it is JUST a regular cloack not a battle cloack.
Is the Galaxy X a Canon ship? The Enterprise D was destroyed in this time line so never got upgraded to Admiral Riker's Specifications. Was the Galaxy X in "All Good things" a possible Future or a Q mind game?

If the Galaxy X gets integrated Cloak than the Defiant gets integrated Cloak, which means since there are no longer cloaking consoles they'll have to give the Avenger integrated Cloak.

As for taking cloaks off the Klingon ships will that you be giving them a Hull and Shield Buff? Giving them the better BOFF layouts? The BoP should stay a Battle Cloaker given it's got the weakest hull in the game. The Qin Raptor has 3 Ensign Tac powers (a constant complaint of Defiant users) and the Negh'var has the 3 Ensign Eng powers which according to Federation opinion is the Worst layout in the game on the Galaxy.

The Klingons have the least content and nowhere near the ships the Federation has. The new Klingon ship was pushed back to 2014. While the Galaxy X performs way under par and needs to be tweaked do you really feel the need to take something from the unsupported faction to make yourself feel better.
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# 12
11-01-2013, 08:41 AM
A lance that actually can be considered somewhat accurate.
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# 13
11-01-2013, 08:54 AM
I'll play this game...

If I could wish for Gal-X upgrades...

4+ Lance Forward weapons (with damage-type choice, and give it a nice +acc bonus so the lance hits given its slow recharge), 3 rear sounds good to me, but I would also give it a bonus foreward shield modification so that its tougher point on while weaker in the other quarters which fits with the fore weapon facing and is in the "defensive" federation mindset. It should also have a unique warp core or power benefits, after all they mounted a third nacelle on it, which has to count for something.

For that matter, I remember hearing in a podcast that the Voth are getting a Phase-cloak that gives a improved defensive ability while cloaked but does not provide any alpha-strike benefits... weren't the feds working on that tech too? wouldnt that have been where a cloak for the Gal-X came from? (Also if we follow canon defiants should have a Romulan cloak or one based on thier principles)

But that's all just wishes up in the air, never happen kind of thing.

What I really wish for...

Is for the Fleet Version to be released.

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# 14
11-01-2013, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dknight0001 View Post
Is the Galaxy X a Canon ship? The Enterprise D was destroyed in this time line so never got upgraded to Admiral Riker's Specifications. Was the Galaxy X in "All Good things" a possible Future or a Q mind game?
the enterprise D is not the only galaxy class ship you known.
and the galaxy that appear in all good things may or may not be a possible future but that irrelevant, it appear on the show, it is canon.
it is not a cryptic design or invention.

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If the Galaxy X gets integrated Cloak than the Defiant gets integrated Cloak, which means since there are no longer cloaking consoles they'll have to give the Avenger integrated Cloak.
don't blame galaxy x and defiant player for cryptic descision to give cloack to a non canon federation ship.
did you wait the avenger to come out to put that argument?

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s for taking cloaks off the Klingon ships will that you be giving them a Hull and Shield Buff? Giving them the better BOFF layouts? The BoP should stay a Battle Cloaker given it's got the weakest hull in the game. The Qin Raptor has 3 Ensign Tac powers (a constant complaint of Defiant users) and the Negh'var has the 3 Ensign Eng powers which according to Federation opinion is the Worst layout in the game on the Galaxy.
HEY! HEY! do not try to bring this into a pitifull federation vs klingons ok.
and don't make me said what i didn't, i would apreciate.
i didn't said to take the cloack off the klingons, but was wondering what would be there reaction if it were transform into a console, and that goes for the romulan too.
so get out your hight horse and learn to read more carrefully next time before giving intention to people that never been there from the beguining.


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# 15
11-01-2013, 12:01 PM
Have any of you guys actually looked at the T5 VA stats?

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Dreadnought_Cruiser

For some of us, trading the aft weapon for an extra fore weapon would be a downgrade. And this talk of making the Spinal Lance a 5th weapon slot is giving up a feature for nothing.

For my part, I want to see the base stats stay the same, the hull and shields get the standard Fleet upgrade, the Spinal Lance remain a built in feature. IF, and this is a big IF the Spinal Lance should be a console, then the Dreadnaught should gain an additional console slot for that change. Consoles would be 4 Engineer, 4 Tactical, 2 Science for the built in Spinal lance, and 4 Engineer, 4 Tacitcal, and 3 Science if the Spinal Lance was a console.

My preference for the BOFF slots would be 1 CDR Eng, 1 Universal LtCDR, 1 Lt Tac, 1 Lt. Universal, 1 Ens Universal. But that is likely asking for too much. More likely, they will make just the ensign slot universal and keep the rest the same.
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# 16
11-01-2013, 12:47 PM
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4. The hanger I don't know maybe I heard it in a podcast where they said they had an idea to add a hanger. Maybe you should try listening to them instead of coming in here insulting ppl that heard their ideas.
I thought the hangar idea was for the Galaxy Retrofit not the Gal-X?

Honestly though, it kinda sounds like you want to make the Gal-X into a Scimitar basically, especially with mentioning a hangar....
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# 17
11-01-2013, 03:25 PM
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I thought the hangar idea was for the Galaxy Retrofit not the Gal-X?

Honestly though, it kinda sounds like you want to make the Gal-X into a Scimitar basically, especially with mentioning a hangar....
no no, gecko specifically mentioned the hangar for the galaxy x, twice.
he never mentioned it for the galaxy R.

if the changes that he propose would be done it would indeed make it something very close to a scimitar.

fleet galaxy dread
7 turn
4 tact console
commander tact
integrated cloack
spinal lance
hangar

scimitar
7 turn
5 tact console
commander tact
integrated battle cloack
thalaron pulse
hangar


this sound more realistic

fleet galaxy dread

6 turn
4 tact console
ltcommander tac
integrated cloack
spinal lance


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# 18
11-01-2013, 04:18 PM
The dreadnought already has 4f/4a on weapons. Especially considering that it's designed as a warship, I think a slightly more tactical setup would be ideal. 5f/3a plus the lance would be perfect when combined with the BOFF setup of the Assault Cruiser Refit. This would dramatically realign the ship in-game with the way it was obviously used in the (one time) it was used in the show.

Personally, I think that giving this ship either a hangar or saucer separation would kill the concept of what it is. However, I fully support the idea of a Galaxy Y Assault Carrier. This ship would be a complete refit of a Galaxy Class ship into something new. With the large numbers of Galaxies that were obviously produced in the canon universe during and immediately after the Dominion war, it makes sense that Starfleet would refit some of the ships to other specifications to do other jobs.

I see Starfleet refitting some Galaxies to be carriers indeed. I can see these ships receiving a secondary hull refit that is essentially identical to that of the Dreadnought; three nacelles, bigger impulse engines, etc. Just NO LANCE.

The saucer is where the dramatic refit would take place. on the Galaxy Y Assault Carrier. The saucer would be heavily modified to support a wing of fighters. It would also be refit with a fore and aft torpedo launcher and more powerful impulse engines. When going into combat, the ship would launch its fighter wing, separate and function as two escorts with moderate hull and a full wing (maybe two?) of fighters in support.

In game, this sould be similar to the way in which the chevron of an Odyssey supports you by healing you and firing on your enemy while you fly the battle section.

I personally LOVE the idea of a purpose built Galaxy Carrier refit in the same vein as the Galaxy X. It makes sense to me.
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# 19
11-01-2013, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by neo1nx View Post
the enterprise D is not the only galaxy class ship you known.
and the galaxy that appear in all good things may or may not be a possible future but that irrelevant, it appear on the show, it is canon.
it is not a cryptic design or invention.



don't blame galaxy x and defiant player for cryptic descision to give cloack to a non canon federation ship.
did you wait the avenger to come out to put that argument?



HEY! HEY! do not try to bring this into a pitifull federation vs klingons ok.
and don't make me said what i didn't, i would apreciate.
i didn't said to take the cloack off the klingons, but was wondering what would be there reaction if it were transform into a console, and that goes for the romulan too.
so get out your hight horse and learn to read more carrefully next time before giving intention to people that never been there from the beguining.
Why do you take offence at questions? A simple Yes the Galaxy X is Canon would have sufficed.

As far as we know the only Galaxy converted to a Galaxy X was the Enterprise D, and only because Admiral Riker pulled strings. I don't believe it was a standard refit for all Galaxies.

I'm not against cloaking consoles for the Fed ships that have them, but they where not built with cloaking devices like their Klingon and Romulan counterparts. They where added on afterwards. And only a single Defiant class ever had a cloak (Yes the first one got destroyed and the second one got a cloak too, but still only a single Defiant with a cloak)

This is a game, it needs to balanced and fair before it adhere's to Canon. Having said this I think the Phaser Lance shouldn't miss, the Garumba never seems to miss. And instead of only having a single Defiant capable of Cloak the Developers have given every player the option to live out there DS9 Fantasies in a cloaked Defiant with Quad Cannons.

And I never expected to be able to use the Avenger in the argument until Cryptic added it. And since they added it the Argument for the necessity of cloaking consoles for the Federation exists. And can be added to the list of why they should be consoles.

Why are you mad at me for your suggestion of making Klingon cloaks consoles and my suggestion that they be refunded the price they paid for integrated cloaks?

Also could you clarify what you mean here? I don't understand what your trying to say.
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giving intention to people that never been there from the beguining.
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# 20
11-02-2013, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dknight0001 View Post
As far as we know the only Galaxy converted to a Galaxy X was the Enterprise D, and only because Admiral Riker pulled strings. I don't believe it was a standard refit for all Galaxies.

I'm not against cloaking consoles for the Fed ships that have them, but they where not built with cloaking devices like their Klingon and Romulan counterparts. They where added on afterwards. And only a single Defiant class ever had a cloak (Yes the first one got destroyed and the second one got a cloak too, but still only a single Defiant with a cloak)
pure speculation on your part, or little attempt of your mind to find justification to the cryptic move.

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This is a game, it needs to balanced and fair before it adhere's to Canon
in what transforming an integrated cloack, that is even not a battle cloack, into a console is fair, when every other ship that have cloack in other faction didn't have to suffer this?



and it is not at your question that i take offense, it is this:
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The Klingons have the least content and nowhere near the ships the Federation has. The new Klingon ship was pushed back to 2014. While the Galaxy X performs way under par and needs to be tweaked do you really feel the need to take something from the unsupported faction to make yourself feel better.
your vicious attempt to make me look for some one who wants to take something to the Klingon faction while i was merely questioning what the reaction would be if the same treatement where applying to klingons and romulan.
and your reaction speaks volumes about the injustice we currently suffer since i remind you that we actually also paid for an intergrated cloack, mind you.
yes!! the cloack was integrated in the first place, it was then transform into a console in season 5, do you have memory problem? or you weren't there already?


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