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# 11
11-04-2013, 12:36 AM
Vor'cha : once you fly, you'll agree.

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# 12
11-04-2013, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by stofsk View Post
I've used the B'Rel, the Mirror Qin, the Vor'cha on my eng, and now the Fleet Somraw for my tac, and I like it. The Fleet Somraw has the same boff layout as the Mirror Qin, but it turns a lot better (the Qin is a pretty big ship for an escort, I believe someone here once called it a pocket battlecruiser, and it really is. That said, it still manoeuvres better than any battlecruiser). I also really like its aesthetics.
If the Qin is a pocket battlecruiser what does that make the Ha'fex then? hehe jk on the size of Romulan ships.

Anyway, I'm glad to see that there are still Raptor enthusiasts, there seems to be so few of them. I'm glad that you're satisfied with the Fleet Somraw since that's probably the next ship I'll be getting if the new C-Store ones don't come before that.
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# 13
11-04-2013, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by telbasta7386 View Post
Just got my Ferasan engineering captain to 50. I've got a fed engineer and fed tactical both flying vestas, and a romulan sci flying a fleet mogai, so I finally decided to crack down and get my ferasan levelled up. I hadnt played the character in a very long time, and the KDF has changed a bit since I played that faction last.

So, I'm looking at what ship to purchase. I've noticed that raptors seem to be one of the least flown KDF ship classes - any particular reason why? I rather like the appearance of the qin/birok, sleek yet not frail looking like the BoPs. At the moment the character is flying a neghvar, but I've never been big on cruisers, i like mid-range ships (like the mogai and vesta, for example - large and able to withstand damage, but not spacewhales).
Kamerang or the fleet Kamerang then the Kar'Fi, and mybe Vo'Quv carrier if you like to fly carriers.

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# 14
11-04-2013, 07:30 AM
Shpoks, if I may ask, what makes the Krenn so great in your opinion? I'm not disputing that, just so you know, it's just that I was actually looking that ship's stats over a few days ago, and couldn't decide what's so great about it. I see some flexibility in assignment with the Uni boffs, is it that or something more?

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Gen
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# 15
11-04-2013, 08:04 AM
Yeah that mogai is a great ship. One of my two favorite Romulan ships, the other being the dhelan. As others have stated, Raptors outside of the Somraw just don't seem to cut it in PvP. The Scourge retri is fairly popular. I would point out that if you do reconsider the battlecruiser thing, the Torkaht is a non-atb build while the Kamarag and K'tinga Refit are screaming atb. If you love or hate atb just be aware that KDF have battlecruisers for both varities.
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# 16
11-04-2013, 09:00 AM
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Shpoks, if I may ask, what makes the Krenn so great in your opinion? I'm not disputing that, just so you know, it's just that I was actually looking that ship's stats over a few days ago, and couldn't decide what's so great about it. I see some flexibility in assignment with the Uni boffs, is it that or something more?

Thanks,
Gen
Well, simply said - it's the best escort type ship currently availible to the KDF. While it lacks a cloak it surpases the fleet raptors in basic stats due to the high shield mod. It handles smoothly, is easier to control and better in any type of engagements because it's turn rate is as described and doesn't have the borked pivot.
In her own class, it surpases any other destroyer availible because it's basically a fleet level ship and we only have 1 other fleet level destroyer - the Fleet Scourge, but it kicks that one as well due to much better stats. I don't have a Pegh'qu so I can't say with 100% certanity, but looking at it on paper - it blows that one as well.
It's the KDF's top escort, when compared to other ships of the same breed availible on the red side.

Now the ship as a ship without comparisons - it has a special console that is actually not that good and could only work in certain situations. That's because if your past version gets killed - it means you get killed as well which is not that great and certainly not something to take with you in PvP.
But then it has a 1.05 shield mod. which is rather good for an escort, the 4/2/4 console layout I consider to be excellent because it packs one hell of a punch and can't mantain really good levels of survavibility, even tank in elite PvE if the 4 sci.console slots are used well.
Then there are the universals, which with the offered setup of Cmdr.Tac, Lt.Tac & Ens.Engi gives you a lot of flexibility to make a good and durable setup, so your Krenn is far far away from a glass canon of any kind. And having Lt.Cmdr.Uni availible to use as Sci. on an escort is always good added value for players that want to mess around a bit with the oponent.

But, to put it without any consideration to the stats - it's fast, easy and fun to fly; I haven't found myself worrying about survivability much since I got it; It gets the job done and it does it very well, it has a punch strong enough to be able to melt through enemies fast enough.

What's the number 1 thing that makes it great for me? The look of the ship. I always pick a ship that I like how it looks and make it work later and this one I love. Nothing beats the pure fun of flying a ship that you really like, especially if it handles excellently like the Krenn does.

Hope this was somewhat helpfull.
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# 17
11-04-2013, 10:20 AM
I picked up a Mirror Quv Raptor after reading this thread and loaded up with all cannons minus frontal torpedo launcher and my rear had the romulan tractor mines and the transphasic torpedo cluster.

Needless to say, it's a great decloack and rain hell upon the enemy, dump the tractor mines then hit them with the torpedo cluster. then spin back around and beat them down with cannons. Quite fun.

Also it helps I'm an engineering officer so with the right BOFF abilities with miracle worker I can come back from 25% health to full with a few clicks.

Not a bad ship at all. I just wonder if my Tac Romulan can use the Mirror Q since it's allied with the KDF.

Cause I've been looking for a good tactical ship and until I can drop 25 bucks and get the tactical carrier for her, I need a good ambush ship.
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# 18
11-04-2013, 10:42 AM
The only weakness I see with Raptors is the low shield mod - they lose about 7% compared to federation escorts and 17% compared to cruisers. This is significant in PVE and PVE where there are weapons that can hit your shields for 8k a pop (CE, Heavy Plasmas, etc.).

If you want to deal maximum damage, the Tac Bortasqu is probably your best bet. It has 5 tactical consoles as well as a universal console which also adds firepower. The turn rate is glacial, but if you use beam arrays then you really don't need to turn except for spiking with the autocannon.

If you need maneuverability, the Fleet Torkaht is the best bet, as it has enough tactical seating to actually use cannons or high level FAW. It is also tougher then a raptor so can hang in the fight longer.

The Karfi Battle Carrier is also an interesting ship - less mobility but you get the 2 hangars and heavy tac seating.
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# 19
11-04-2013, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by telbasta7386 View Post
Just got my Ferasan engineering captain to 50. I've got a fed engineer and fed tactical both flying vestas, and a romulan sci flying a fleet mogai, so I finally decided to crack down and get my ferasan levelled up. I hadnt played the character in a very long time, and the KDF has changed a bit since I played that faction last.

So, I'm looking at what ship to purchase. I've noticed that raptors seem to be one of the least flown KDF ship classes - any particular reason why? I rather like the appearance of the qin/birok, sleek yet not frail looking like the BoPs. At the moment the character is flying a neghvar, but I've never been big on cruisers, i like mid-range ships (like the mogai and vesta, for example - large and able to withstand damage, but not spacewhales).
There are no direct equivalents to the Mogai or the Vesta, both of which are outlier ships specific to their factions. But we can make some class-based assumptions based on them: destroyer-sized vessel (big escort, smaller than a cruiser), 12-14 turn-rate, 30k hull, able to seat tactical BOFFs. Also, IMO, an engi captain needs a minimum of 3 engi BOFF slots, two for EPtX abilities to keep the EPS Manifold Efficiency trait running, and one for some kind of boost/repair such as RSP.

Guramba Siege Destroyer, a very unique ship that is strongly associated with the faction, heavy tactical focus, with enough engi BOFF seats. You will have no trouble managing the power on this thing, but you will not be able to spike the damage as high either.

Fleet Somraw. You asked about Raptors... other people already answered about that: most of the Klingon ships have the pivot point in the rear, and since the Qin is very long (the size of some cruisers) the nose has to move at a fast pace to make the turn-rate work. So things like, when you turn into your target you can end up pushing the nose past the firing arc, and if you try to slow the turn you wont keep up with the target. The somraw however is very small (smaller than some of the BOPs) and so it suffers much less from this (since BOPs have the same handling quirk the somraw is actually better performer than some BOPs). It has 3 engi BOFF stations too.

Fleet Scourge, probably the best escort-class ship in the KDF arsenal. The only thing wrong with it is doesnt have a built-in cloak. It does not have many engi BOFF seats so you will be hard-pressed on this one, but you can get away with EPtS1 and EPtW2, throw PH1 and HE1/TS2 on the sci, and you will do quite well.

Fleet K't'inga Battle Cruiser, an iconic ship, small destroyer, 11 turn-rate, 4/4 weapons, strong engineer ship. The absence of high-level tactical seating may be an issue for you, and the handling may will take some getting used to, but it is a wonderful ship that a lot of people cant let go of.
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