Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 23
# 31
11-11-2013, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by luke3424 View Post
i just hope it works on a snow leopard computer...im not looking forward to upgrading to mavericks since im clueless on how to do it lol...

left click the 'apple' symbol in the top left hand corner of the screen and click 'software update'. it should search for updates automatically. when mavericks appears click update. you may need your iCloud password.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 207
# 32
11-11-2013, 03:18 PM
Hoping this means a giant leap forward in my gameplay. The Mac side has the better graphics driver than the Windoze side.
Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8
# 33
11-11-2013, 05:13 PM
this is good and bad its good that STO is expanding and getting new people but for me it is bad since i dislike the MAC and did not want to deal with mac players
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 123
# 34
11-11-2013, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by h29829282 View Post
this is good and bad its good that STO is expanding and getting new people but for me it is bad since i dislike the MAC and did not want to deal with mac players
Really...Why does it matter what machine someone uses to play the same game everyone else is?
Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 2
# 35
11-11-2013, 06:06 PM
AT LAST... i have imac, and i was waiting for so long...!!! this monent, can download de link for beta mac?, plz some can tell me where, i can't find them.... plz some could give me he link for dl asap!!!!
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 339
# 36
11-11-2013, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by markfalcone View Post
Hoping this means a giant leap forward in my gameplay. The Mac side has the better graphics driver than the Windoze side.
This is not a native Mac client. That would mean the use of OpenGL instead of DirectX at the minimum.

This uses a modified version of the WINE emulator which uses a subset of Windows APIs -- basically a very stripped-down Windows OS. All emulation carries a performance hit.
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 11
# 37
11-12-2013, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by xenoscox View Post
Just wanted to let you know that I am very much looking forward to trying out the Mac beta client.
We all are, thats why we are here... at-least those that aren't flaming Macs. Its to easy for Windows users to assume something wasn't fully tested or hasn't been worked on because they added mac support. Just trying to point that out... but in return we also arent going to get the absolute best experience... there is a reason GW2 and now STO calls their mac versions beta. Its a we are listening and think we are ready to dip our toe in the water kind of move with a nice nod to a dedicated little sub-community. If all goes Well Cryptic gets a new audience... one that has high demographic and interest overlap between mac users and followers of Star Trek. Not saying Windows users don't love their Trek, just saying there is a higher relative density for mac.

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Originally Posted by ziktofel View Post
Are you guys also planning a version for Linux/SteamOS? Valve said that there is only a little step between Mac and Linux
While I am not in the know in Cryptic, I can tell you Valve was talking about something extremely different. Valve games are based on native code and hybrid native/translation setups. They had to re-write large portions of their Source engine to add multi-platform support, something Windows and STO fans would cry murder if they disappeared for months to accomplish the same task. Valve is right its easy after you take that first step, but understand Cryptic hasn't actually taken that same first step... this is more a dip a toe in the water. There is hope, but nothing more concrete or a real step towards Linux support.

Quote:
Originally Posted by darkelipse04 View Post
If this is the case we can at least hope for performance improvements and fine tuning.
Absolutely. Cryptic will most likely fine tune how the windows client works and we will reap the benefits. Meanwhile Wine has been making huge improvements when it comes to multi-threading more and more of the translation layers and a move from X11 to Quartz (a native display layer built-into OS X) so we wont have one more little layer of abstraction between STO and our screen. Don't expect a sudden surprise, expect a few extra FPS there, a few less graphical glitches, and things generally working smoother.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thewolfster View Post
I'll be playing on a 2013 rMBP but want to try the mini out of curiosity. It just scrapes the minimum requirements, so it'll be interesting to see how well it works.
I wish you luck. kind of surprised on some of the specs though, seems they went a bit conservative in some areas then even I did.

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Originally Posted by markfalcone View Post
Hoping this means a giant leap forward in my gameplay. The Mac side has the better graphics driver than the Windoze side.
Honestly the Mac drivers seem to favor 2D stability over 3D performance. So there will be a FPS penalty just because Nvidia & AMD haven't gotten their act together on OS X drivers. Intel has been doing amazing things under OS X & Linux for their 3D driver support in recent years though. In most native cross-platform benchmarks I consistently get 10% to 30% lower FPS under OS X 10.9 then I do under Windows 8.1 WHQL AMD drivers. Thats with no translation, no emulation, just platform optimized code using OpenGL 4.x APIs

Quote:
Originally Posted by mercuriciodide View Post
This is not a native Mac client. That would mean the use of OpenGL instead of DirectX at the minimum.

This uses a modified version of the WINE emulator which uses a subset of Windows APIs -- basically a very stripped-down Windows OS. All emulation carries a performance hit.
Hehe, technically its code translation between APIs (i.e. Win32 -> GNU *Nix & DirectX -> OpenGL), in a strange way its kind of like what portions of your web browser does for some code like Javascript. WINE stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator actually.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 5
# 38
11-12-2013, 02:35 AM
I just saw the announcement of the Mac Client Beta. I am so STOked! I've been Bootcamping it for 3 years. I tried Parallels and VM Ware Fusion with ridiculously poor results. I had given up attempting to run it on the Mac OS side. This really is exciting to see the further development of the game. And to co-inside with the Season 8 Sphere launch...I like where we are going! Cheers Cryptic!
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 19
# 39
11-12-2013, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by h29829282 View Post
this is good and bad its good that STO is expanding and getting new people but for me it is bad since i dislike the MAC and did not want to deal with mac players
You... do realize, you've been "dealing" with mac users for a long time right? Many of us bootcamp or use WINE already. Just saying....
Captain
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,895
# 40
11-12-2013, 10:21 AM
Are they sure about that 10GB diskspace? I mean the windows version easily takes 30 -40 gb... seems unlikely to me that this will be enough...
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