Lt. Commander
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# 231
01-30-2010, 09:33 PM
Yes, lets get the government involved so we can add computer games to the ever growing list of things the government has screwed up:

Public Schools
Health care
Social Security
Welfare
Taxes
Auto Industry
Gas and Oil
Pretty much anything having to do with manufacturing

Need I go on?? It's morons like you that have screwed up this country. Next you'll be telling me you want the government to pay for your subscription because you welfare check isn't enough to cover it. Go move to Canada you damn socialist.
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# 232
01-30-2010, 09:46 PM
At one point I remember the governemtn was thinking about taxing people who played on line games based on what they own in game due to the so called gold sellers actualy giving a dollar amount to how much a single credt/gil/whatever was worth and that that then put an actual amount for what items in game cost.

There was a bit more to it than that, but that's the jist of it. Thank whatever god you belive in that didn't happen. The govornment (ANY Govornment) is not someone we want helping with this.

And even if they (the U.S. Govornment) Stepped in . . . isn't there a small problem with pork barrel stuff going into bills already? I as a gammer don't want to add onto that very serious problem and can of worms more than it's already at.

And lastly, O.P., You're kidding right? I mean, you can't possibly be serious can you?
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# 233
01-30-2010, 09:57 PM
That was an actual idea, Moanalua, but it died so fast it wasn't even funny. I thought that was crazy before i was even into politics. Funny part was that gold selling became illegal and the gold sellers are based in foreign countries. they ran into the problem of not being able to tax that which wasn't under US sovereignty. Funny i guess, but horribly scary at its core.

I don't think he was kidding, i think he's young and still believes in the altruism through government power.
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# 234
01-30-2010, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Frodorn
I think gamers should contact their local goverment representative about establishing legislation so that companys who create mmo's have to meet a certain service level for their customers. This is not to just bash Cryptic, but if you pay for a game, you should at least be able to play it without worrying about servers going down every five minutes, server not responding messages, etc. The only only reason they can get away with this is because they don't have any rules or punishment if they disobey those rules. The trend will continue to get worse if people don't join together and put a stop to it. Microtransactions will get worse, etc.

*epic facepalm*
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# 235
01-30-2010, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by E.N.3.M.Y
he got disbared like 2 years ago now, TEH ROCK, U UNDER IT
I don't know if you know this, but that hasn't shut him up at all.
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# 236
01-30-2010, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Frodorn
I think gamers should contact their local goverment representative about establishing legislation so that companys who create mmo's have to meet a certain service level for their customers. This is not to just bash Cryptic, but if you pay for a game, you should at least be able to play it without worrying about servers going down every five minutes, server not responding messages, etc. The only only reason they can get away with this is because they don't have any rules or punishment if they disobey those rules. The trend will continue to get worse if people don't join together and put a stop to it. Microtransactions will get worse, etc.
bADGERSMAKER??? iS THAT you!??!?!?!?!
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# 237
01-31-2010, 12:52 AM
Wow. Just... wow.

As consumers we are perfectly capapble of "regulating" Cryptic already. It's called "voting with your feet".
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# 238
01-31-2010, 09:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodorn
I think gamers should contact their local goverment representative about establishing legislation so that companys who create mmo's have to meet a certain service level for their customers. This is not to just bash Cryptic, but if you pay for a game, you should at least be able to play it without worrying about servers going down every five minutes, server not responding messages, etc. The only only reason they can get away with this is because they don't have any rules or punishment if they disobey those rules. The trend will continue to get worse if people don't join together and put a stop to it. Microtransactions will get worse, etc.
I haven't read the whole thread. But I'm willing to assume you've had multiple pages of "LOL" and "Lame" and "Don't involve the government" along with lashings of "If you don't like it...". However, you do raise a good and interesting point: the video game industry is largley unregulated. Hell, IT in general is largley ununionised.

In business to business relationships there are SLA's for things such as server avaliability, capacity, release dates, metrics are agreed upon and adhered to. Legally the contract signed can't be one sided, if it is and appears in a court.... ohh dear. Judges are more than happy to void such things. Hell, make enough public noise about it and companies tend to void it themselves.... as a certain performing artist did in a contractual battle with Sony. It is also worth keeping in mind that contract law is not universal. The rules that apply in the US don't necessarily correspond to the UK... France... Germany or indeed the EU as a whole. Same applies for other countries as well.

Which neatly brings me to EULA's, something I'm sure people in this thread have mentioned. It's legal boiler plate. Upon that I'm sure we all agree. However, does it represent a contractual agreement? Well companies would like us to think it does. But that makes them responsible under law for certain things (such as minors not being allowed to sign a contract AND drop down boxes being no proof of age)... minors signing contracts is bad news. If it doesn't then it really is "blah blah blah words" and doesn't mean a thing. Indeed, even in its current form it might not be totally enforcable in certain countries; if one part of it isn't that voids the whole damn thing usually.

Take as another example the "lifetime subscription". Now is that the lifetime of the person (no, it's not) or the lifetime of the product (yes, it is). What, exactly, is a reasonable amount of time for an MMO to exist? 1 year? 2? 5? Several MMO's went to the wall after 1 year or so. Several are approaching a decade of operation. Lets say, 4 years just for arguments sake. You hand over your $250 and the game vanishes after 3. It failed to last as long as could be reasonably expected so you get the whole $250 back, not a fraction thereof, the whole amount. But, again, in legal terms, how long is an MMO expected to be around?

Lack of SLA's, dubious legality of 'generic' EULA's, expected lifetime of the product. These, really are just the tips of the iceberg as far as legal issues with MMO's go (another is, what happens to your character after the game dies? You invested time and money in building it... are you entitled to a copy?) none of which have been challenged in court... yet.

Whilst I personally feel government oversight is a tad... overkill... I'm willing to bet good money that lawyers are already waiting for the first Consumer V MMO Company case to appear. It will, for better or worse, be a good thing when it does.
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# 239
01-31-2010, 10:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodorn
I think gamers should contact their local goverment representative about establishing legislation so that companys who create mmo's have to meet a certain service level for their customers. This is not to just bash Cryptic, but if you pay for a game, you should at least be able to play it without worrying about servers going down every five minutes, server not responding messages, etc. The only only reason they can get away with this is because they don't have any rules or punishment if they disobey those rules. The trend will continue to get worse if people don't join together and put a stop to it. Microtransactions will get worse, etc.
There's some things you haven't thought off though.

If a server goes down then who is blame ? Is the company who made the hardware or the people who make the components ?

Cryptic use other peoples hardware to allow their software to run ST:O.

So if the server crashes then any possible legislation has to take into account an a lot things you haven't concidered.
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# 240
01-31-2010, 10:16 AM
If this is serious, it is one of the funniest things on the internet.

If it is fake, it is a beautiful troll and you are a master.
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