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# 51
01-30-2010, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Cancrizans View Post
Actually didn't the Federation steal a Romulan cloaking device in TOS episode "The Enterprise Incident"? Scotty was able to make it work on the Enterprise so that should mean that from there on in Federation ships COULD be able to use some form of stealth tech.

Whether or not this was utilized in further series/lore is another matter of course...

The Defiant uses a cloaking device borrowed from the Romulans in DS9 aswell, but I don't think the Federation ever actively designed their own or built ships with it in mind.
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# 52
01-30-2010, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Cancrizans View Post
Actually didn't the Federation steal a Romulan cloaking device in TOS episode "The Enterprise Incident"? Scotty was able to make it work on the Enterprise so that should mean that from there on in Federation ships COULD be able to use some form of stealth tech.

Whether or not this was utilized in further series/lore is another matter of course...
It wasn't. There were treaties in place to prevent Feds using cloaking technology. There were a couple of eps where there were moral dilemmas about having to retrieve a cloaking device from a Fed ship that only had it on the sly for a black op that went wrong. If it all went wrong, full war with the Romulans would have ensued and other diplomatic relations would have been in the toilet from breaking such an important treaty.
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# 53
01-30-2010, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Xylenium
Escorts seemed okay in beta.

Unless the klingons have grown a brain, they will still all target you and spam beams while you pop Reverse Shield Polarity and laugh for 15 seconds while your friends kill 3 or 4 of them.
Funny, I remember many times in t3-t4 where 90% of the players had Reverse Shield Polarity. So when you popped it and started laughing... usually your target did too... then you were back to square one.
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# 54
01-30-2010, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Faelerian
It wasn't. There were treaties in place to prevent Feds using cloaking technology. There were a couple of eps where there were moral dilemmas about having to retrieve a cloaking device from a Fed ship that only had it on the sly for a black op that went wrong. If it all went wrong, full war with the Romulans would have ensued and other diplomatic relations would have been in the toilet from breaking such an important treaty.
Ahh ok. I thought as much or there likely wouldn't be this debate right?

I confess, I watched TOS when it first started in repeats back in the 70s when I was a kid, and I have seen those episodes quite a few times, but I'm not really caught up on any of the newer series. :O
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# 55
01-30-2010, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cancrizans View Post
Actually didn't the Federation steal a Romulan cloaking device in TOS episode "The Enterprise Incident"? Scotty was able to make it work on the Enterprise so that should mean that from there on in Federation ships COULD be able to use some form of stealth tech.

Whether or not this was utilized in further series/lore is another matter of course...
The federation focuses on cloak detection technology. They are very good at it. They could create a cloak just with that kind of knowledge, but they don't because its just not their style.

Much like 'warships' are not their style. But that changes, i guess cloaking could also, if it becomes necessary.

Cloaks are more useful for hit and run attacks though and it seems like normally the federation prefers to play a defensive game until they want to do a massive push, which is less useful.

As we know lots of ships warping together create large subspace disturbances which could be detected even if the entire fleet is cloaked, so cloaking a fleet wont disguise their movements.
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# 56
01-30-2010, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Oxegen
We all know that fed players don't like playing a small, agile glass cannon of a ship. But why?
With the current pvp system in place, it's a zerg fest. Glass cannons don't last long when tab targeted.
Well, since I don't PvP I cannot comment on that, but I am playing an Escort on the PvE side, two reasons:

1. I love the ship classes/designs there = personal taste
2. I prefer the fast and agile ships over the heavy and large ones = personal taste.

Maybe it is just more people's taste to fly one of the larger, heavier ships? Especially considering these typically featured in the movies and series, heh.


On the other hand, for some time in Open Beta I was fearing everyone would just go grab an Escort for their high dps... good luck I was wrong and people go for their personal tastes, heh.
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# 57
01-30-2010, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfugue
Cloaks are more useful for hit and run attacks though and it seems like normally the federation prefers to play a defensive game until they want to do a massive push, which is less useful.

As we know lots of ships warping together create large subspace disturbances which could be detected even if the entire fleet is cloaked, so cloaking a fleet wont disguise their movements.
it's not that its a perfer'd style, its just what works the best since attacking blindly in the dark tends to get yourself killed.
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# 58
01-30-2010, 08:35 PM
TBH, forgetting all the game mechanics, I wouldnt be an escort captain, because, at my max level, I wont be able to have an Akira.

Its sad I know, but if my Akira was the top line excort, I would have it, as it is, I will have to go cruisers for a Sovereign.

Im sorry, im not a "power" player, I just want something cool, that I know how to play with.

That would be why, in SWG (jump to lightspeed (less borked than the ground game)), you will find me in an X-wing rather than a jedi fighter. Because I am of the generation that thinks X-wings are cool.
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# 59
01-30-2010, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TripFour View Post
Which BO slot takes up Battle Cloak again? I always forget what Klingons give up for that particular power.
Klingons give up shields and hull across the board for Battle Cloak. And at T2, they give up an entire BO slot. At T3 and T4 they lose a ranked BO slot. At T5 They give up an entire BO slot.

And if you whine about battle cloak, keep in mind you're only talking about one Klink ship class.
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# 60
01-30-2010, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Gaglug View Post
Klingons give up shields and hull across the board for Battle Cloak. And at T2, they give up an entire BO slot. At T3 and T4 they lose a ranked BO slot. At T5 They give up an entire BO slot.

And if you whine about battle cloak, keep in mind you're only talking about one Klink ship class.
You can't point out these differences and not take a look at some of the more major ones.

I'd trade my Fed escort for a BoP in 2 seconds.

The BoP is VASTLY superior to the Fed Escort and the Klingon Raptors for a variety of reasons.

The biggest one is the neutral BO slots. That makes the BoP the most versatile ship in the game; you can use any set of abilities you want. You can grab a bunch of Reverse Shield Polarities when every other escort can only use one. You could grab other high tier Engineering cooldowns and your survivability will be vastly superior to any other kind of escort. You can grab amazing CC like Viral Matrix.

Fed Escort and Raptor? Yay, you get to run Tactical Team and a bunch of Torpedo skills!

The BoP also has vastly superior maneuverability so in any kind of dogfight assuming you're a decent pilot you should be able to dominate the Fed Escorts or the Raptor.

And that's all without even mentioning the battle cloak. I'd give up 1 Ensign BO slot and a little bit of hull and shields for the BoP's maneuverability and neutral BO slots easily.

Neutral BO slots are so fricking amazing I can't believe so many Klingons actually complain about their ship. It's ridiculous.
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