Captain
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 669
# 51
12-01-2013, 07:37 AM
The Fleet Avenger is a Top notch ship. I have to think that anyone that has problems tanking or dishing out massive amounts of damage with it need so ask for some advice on ship builds. The only thing I could wish for on it would be for it to be competitive with the Scimatar. I would have loved 5 Tac consoles and a Cmdr Tac station. But to some that would be too OP. I would have settled for just a CMDR Tac and the 4 Tac consoles or vice versa. But this ship with both would be the Feds version of the Scimatar. As it stands no ship can compete with a properly built Scimatar. But as we know once Cryptic releases a ship they will never, ever, ever go back and change its Boff or console layout. I always cringe when I see a post from someone asking for an existing ship to have it's console or Boff seating changed because it will never happen. But as it stands with the current Aux2batt/DEM/APB/FAW craze the Avenger, Fleet Excelsior, Fleet Soverign, and Fleet Ambassidor are the best Fed cruisers out there. In that order.
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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# 52
12-01-2013, 10:15 AM
I managed to get first place in Crystalline Catastrophe [Elite] in my fleet avenger, and I don't even have most rep equipment yet. I died like twice I think.

Halfway through I just sat in front of the entity spamming my romulan plasma torpedoes and beam arrays on the 5 fore weapon slots (Don't have fleet spire tac consoles unlocked yet). No progress made in Dyson reputation yet at this point also.

I wasn't taking much damage sitting there so I managed to help keep other players alive as well using hazard emitters, auxilary to structural, and tactical team. Got me a nifty trophy for my lounge inside my ship.

I would say the avenger ship blows.........it blows the bad guys away.

So this is what I'm planning on for it eventually (basically just need equipment and dyson rep) http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?...etavenger_2164
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Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 53
12-01-2013, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by chuggernaut12 View Post
You can put five torps on the front of a ship and three DBBs on the rear, doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Actually you can't do that.

Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 5
# 54
12-01-2013, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mimey2 View Post
Actually you can't do that.
Okay bad example. You get my point, though. Should we make it so that a ship that mounts one beam array, one DBB, one cannon, ect, of all different damage types, is viable just because Cryptic will let you do it? I think not.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 158
# 55
12-01-2013, 01:48 PM
I have a fleet Avenger and I have to say it's an amazing ship. The perfect Battle Cruiser. A pity it's Fed-side, as I'd love to have it on my KDF characters. But, Fed-side it is still a wonderous thing. My engineer captain does so much better in it than in her Armitage or JHDC, but that could be because it works so well with the way I play her. I use DHCs and don't notice half the problems folk keep complaining about. I use a load of [ResAll] RCS Consoles from the mine however to get the turn up. The pivot point is fantastic, and is pretty much in the optimum place for cannon use, though you still have to use skills like EPtE or Evasive to get yourself in a good position to do maximum damage.

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# 56
12-02-2013, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ferdzso0 View Post
the ship is fine. probably the strongest fed cruiser (one of the strongest fed ships) out there, if it suits you. it is what it says on paper, if you have problems with understanding how stats will translate to gameplay, you should just go and test on tribble before buying anything
^^ This. Fleet Avenger is one of the finest Fed ships around. Good turn-rate, very sturdy, and a sweet 5/3 weps layout.
Captain
Join Date: Aug 2013
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# 57
12-02-2013, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tmichc View Post
I have a fleet Avenger and I have to say it's an amazing ship. The perfect Battle Cruiser. A pity it's Fed-side, as I'd love to have it on my KDF characters. But, Fed-side it is still a wonderous thing. My engineer captain does so much better in it than in her Armitage or JHDC, but that could be because it works so well with the way I play her. I use DHCs and don't notice half the problems folk keep complaining about. I use a load of [ResAll] RCS Consoles from the mine however to get the turn up. The pivot point is fantastic, and is pretty much in the optimum place for cannon use, though you still have to use skills like EPtE or Evasive to get yourself in a good position to do maximum damage.

Tim
If you want something similar for your KDF, try the Tor'Kaht. The Avenger has a somewhat better boff layout (most importantly, it has a Lt sci and Lt uni instead of Lt eng, Lt uni, and no built-in sci), but the tork maneuvers better (important if you want to use dual cannons on it).

And yeah: Like I've been saying, there's an automatic assumption among a lot of us Feds that dual cannon-capable = maneuvers like an escort. These people have clearly never tried a JHDC, Scimitar, or ... practically any Klingon ship other than a raptor or BoP, most of which can run cannons effectively (at least in PvE; I know next to nothing about PvP) but turn like a bus.

Players, before you jump on the bandwagon for the new shiny, do the freakin' research. Don't look at the hype, look at the numbers. Find out if the shiny's stats fit your current playstyle, or if you'd have to respec to use it effectively. Ask on the forums for boff layouts -- there were people making threads on what to put where on the Avenger a good week before it came out.
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Lieutenant
Join Date: Nov 2012
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# 58
12-03-2013, 10:59 AM
I think that the best thing about the Avenger is her versatility. I do not have one specific weapon/boff/console load-out for my ship.

For example, if I am doing Vault Ensnared, I will equip 3 forward beams, 3 rear, and use a lot of FAW to clean up those pesky little fighter ships that slow you down from getting to that next Tholian web spinner.

Also, if you find yourself in a Tholian web, nothing drops one of those faster than FAW, after which I will laugh maniacally at the Tholians, "Muhahahahah! Silly Spider people! You think your insect mind is greater than mine???...."

(ahem..) where was I?

Oh yeah... versatility. Now another poster here mentioned that you can tell if a player is bad if they put DHCs on an Avenger, but if you are doing The Cure Found, then why not use DHCs? Nothing moves that fast on that taskforce, with the exception of some of the assimilated Klingon ships, but then that is what tractor beams, or subspace jump, or evasive maneuvers are for. Everything else just sits there. It really is shooting fish in a barrel on that one.

And that is why I have fallen in love with the Avenger. I have gone from using three ships to using only one. The trick is to know what it is you are going up against, and load out accordingly.
Commander
Join Date: Jan 2013
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# 59
12-03-2013, 11:06 AM
I got my fleet avenger and my imperial classes built about the same... only 3 real diferences between the two: 1, avenger loads DBCs; 2, avenger loads non-combat cloak; and 3, slight tweak in the boff stations (but i have the same boff config on both of them, and run only BAs, no cloak).

Last edited by lystent; 12-03-2013 at 11:07 AM. Reason: spelling
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# 60
12-03-2013, 11:10 AM
The Avenger has only one flaw as I see it

For all of its abilitys

It is way way way way

Too Small
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