Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 2,450
# 71
12-06-2013, 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by unangbangkay View Post
Overreact, much? He likes the way the Avenger looks, and doesn't appreciate it when people demand that it looks like the Excelsior instead.
The last sentence does more than that. I actually agree with everything he said, for the record. And just slapping skins on totally different ships makes no sense either. But "Leave my ship alone" is not reasoning why that's a bad idea, that's "Ohcrapdontyoudaretouchmystuffz!" and the only reason I mentioned it in the first place is that this is a very common reaction on these forums alone
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Lieutenant
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 54
# 72
12-11-2013, 05:07 PM
I'd like it to be a little bigger (20% maybe?), but y'know what? It is easily the best ship I presently own. The Avenger is very durable and performs extremely well with DBB's. I play a little hazardly, so I also run DHC's in the front for when I can really lay into someone-happen more than people in here seem to think, too. You absolutely can play it as a slower, clumsier escort-but you're going to need to devote your consoles accordingly.

IMO, for it's effect, VATA needs a shorter CD. That's my one 'problem' with it. It's a weapon, very similarly to a Tri-Cobalt launcher. But really, I find the VATA useful enough to use most of the time, I'm just disappointed that it's not a 90 second CD.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 73
12-11-2013, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sonnikku View Post
My fleet sovereign is a pretty effective tactical cruiser. Yet, the Avenger meets or beats it in specs in every way. I can't imagine how any would find it underpowered. The only thing underpowered is the ship model. Give us an Excel look for that thing cryptic! You let me make that ugly regent look like a kick ass Sovereign.
There's a few (rather situational) considerations that make the Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit a viable choice in comparison to the Fleet Avenger (that is, the Avenger doesn't beat it in every way):

1.) Balanced weapon layout: It may seem odd that it's an advantage at first, but the Avenger is still a cruiser, and can't always keep its fore weapons on target. A more balanced configuration allows more weapons on target while repositioning, and a full broadside doesn't really care whether the arrays are in the fore or aft slots. It's only really notable at all when fighting Raiders or when using all-beam setups.

2.) More hull: It's not much, but it's there. The FACR has 1650 more base hull than the Fleet Avenger, which could be the difference between toughing out a barrage and getting the heals in just in time or a warp core breach with a hull heal just half a second too late.

3.) Four devices: The extra device slot the FACR has is rarely a main deciding factor, though not having to hot-swap devices as frequently can occasionally come in handy, when you remember you have them.

4.) Cruiser Commands: Attract Fire is useful on occasion. That occasion being that you're already affected by Weapon Systems Efficiency and want to make it absolutely certain that the enemy will shoot at you. And you have some allies near you to significantly boost your resist bonus.

5.) Aux2Batt Spam-At-Will: If you love the beam-heavy flavor-of-the-month for several months running, the Avenger's access to DHCs is a moot point, as you're not taking advantage of them.

6.) Power spread: Although power is highly mutable especially on Cruisers, if you prefer Shields or Auxiliary power over Engine power, the Regent has a modest advantage.
Ensign
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 5
# 74
12-12-2013, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kingpounder View Post
Ist a nice ship, good layout but lacks in Boff Slots. I would like to see a commander tactical, lieutenant tactical, lieutenant commander eng, lieutenant science and ensign universal on the fleet Version. Or at least a fifth tactical console.

I want to see finally a compared ship to the scimitar for the federation and klingon People you can say what you want but most of the pow pow channel use a scimitar.
It's still a Cruiser, it's not going to have a Commander tac and Lt. Com Engineering slot.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 123
# 75 then there needs to be
12-13-2013, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by chuggernaut12 View Post
It's still a Cruiser, it's not going to have a Commander tac and Lt. Com Engineering slot.
then there needs to be a class of cruiser with one dont knw y even dreadnoughts dnt have one, if ya ask me a dread should prob be a bit slower or at least very high inertia but should have strong eng and tac abilites along with higher shield modifier, give n take but...somethin lol hoping they plan for something like that soon.

We want a vengeance we wanna vengeance lol

and .. i believe mogai class is a similar hybrid but more scort than cruis so... idk, still overall the best fed cruiser yet.

y new mogh gets 2000 crew? when they gonna fix crew mechanics in 1st place ? lol


Engy in a Vengy, gonna make it work good soon
Lt. Commander
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# 76 yea
12-13-2013, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kingpounder View Post
Ist a nice ship, good layout but lacks in Boff Slots. I would like to see a commander tactical, lieutenant tactical, lieutenant commander eng, lieutenant science and ensign universal on the fleet Version. Or at least a fifth tactical console.

I want to see finally a compared ship to the scimitar for the federation and klingon People you can say what you want but most of the pow pow channel use a scimitar.

I say univ commander boff station period, be alot more modular for all capt types i think isnt that more the starfleet way? lol and if that ideal is moot then , we want the vengeance class only thing i could think of to be similar for fed scimitar/dread class, we are afterall , at war lol
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# 77
01-06-2014, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ajgamer1701 View Post
Avenger is still a joke, too many disadvantages of an escort and a cruiser, not enough advantages of an escort or cruiser, a half breed ? Aye it is , but not the best combo and no real advantages for the federation cruiser /battlecruiser class ships (or destroyer class is even better than this ship) vs similar klingon classed cruisers, battlecruisers, and of course still no real "Heavy Battlecruiser" class fed ships. Oh, btw and the so called "Dreadnought Class" GAL X, is no where close to a "Dreadnought" by any kinda definition in comparison to any kinda ship, sea ,boat, vessel or in space sci fi or non fiction , in that class.

My Feedback on Avenger? : Simple, It needs a COMMANDER UNIVERSAL Boff station Period!, as well as, perhaps as a c store/fleet variation, a base turn of perhaps 11 or 12 vs its current base of 9. PERIOD!!!(Cant believe I paid money for this crap which looked good on paper but largely not, with no clear advantage really that would make a serious difference, I'm sure you and your testers are aware, and collated and concluded to your current version) but really vs. any other kinda fed cruiser in any class, it's largely useless and not as modular as it seems to be by comparison.

Tho , I believe feedback, forums, for large, greedy corporate gaming companies are LARGELY USELESS and only a Token in reality, I sincerely hope someone that this kinda feedback concerns, takes it to heart for consideration, TY anyway
so you are made because it is a excelsior 2.0 with lt uni and wanting commander uni with escort style turn rate???

this is a prime example of people like you wanting uber that can pwn puuny klinks while still complaining of wanting more shinies as soon it is recent shiny released since day one.
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# 78
01-07-2014, 09:33 PM
Howdie fellow trekkers ... My first post on the forums so be gentle ...
I'm new to STO (only been playing for about a week) So i'm not up to speed on everything yet (again be gentle) ...

BTT: Has this been asked before ... Why is the Avenger a Tier 5 (VA) ship? ... I would have loved it to be a Tier 3, but considering it's specs, the standard (not fleet version) should have been at max a Tier 4 ship ...

Comparing it to the Exploration Cruiser Refit, it's a bit tougher and a bit more maneuverable, but is that worth 1000 Zen ?!?!?!? Then to, the ECR gets an extra SBOFF slot as well ... I just don't see the value in it ...

I also haven't seen all that many in game yet (although that could be because of the exorbitant price) And hear I thought everyone would be making "USS Voyager" on 'roids" clones ...
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# 79
01-08-2014, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bendalek View Post
Howdie fellow trekkers ... My first post on the forums so be gentle ...
I'm new to STO (only been playing for about a week) So i'm not up to speed on everything yet (again be gentle) ...

BTT: Has this been asked before ... Why is the Avenger a Tier 5 (VA) ship? ... I would have loved it to be a Tier 3, but considering it's specs, the standard (not fleet version) should have been at max a Tier 4 ship ...

Comparing it to the Exploration Cruiser Refit, it's a bit tougher and a bit more maneuverable, but is that worth 1000 Zen ?!?!?!? Then to, the ECR gets an extra SBOFF slot as well ... I just don't see the value in it ...

I also haven't seen all that many in game yet (although that could be because of the exorbitant price) And hear I thought everyone would be making "USS Voyager" on 'roids" clones ...
You claim that this is your first post, and yet you say everything in just the right way to bait angry responses, starting with that the Galaxy is currently a good ship.

Also, the Avenger is quite common for a paid ship at this point. They're about as numerous among Fed players as Scimitars are for Romulans. 3 times out of 5 in a Dyson STF you'll see at least one Avenger. In fact, just last night I got into Breach Elite in my Fleet Avenger with 4 other Federation players. 3 were flying Avengers, the other was in an Odyssey.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,133
# 80
01-08-2014, 05:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bendalek View Post
Howdie fellow trekkers ... My first post on the forums so be gentle ...
I'm new to STO (only been playing for about a week) So i'm not up to speed on everything yet (again be gentle) ...

BTT: Has this been asked before ... Why is the Avenger a Tier 5 (VA) ship? ... I would have loved it to be a Tier 3, but considering it's specs, the standard (not fleet version) should have been at max a Tier 4 ship ...

Comparing it to the Exploration Cruiser Refit, it's a bit tougher and a bit more maneuverable, but is that worth 1000 Zen ?!?!?!? Then to, the ECR gets an extra SBOFF slot as well ... I just don't see the value in it ...

I also haven't seen all that many in game yet (although that could be because of the exorbitant price) And hear I thought everyone would be making "USS Voyager" on 'roids" clones ...
it is a t5 ship becuase t5 is endgame ship level...the level people play their chars the longest...so there is the most reveniew.

...honestly idk where you get the idea of the 1000 zen. avenger costs 2500 zen. the Exploration cruiser retrofit costs 2000 zen. i can't see where you get the 1000 zen difference from.

i can understand that after 1 week of playing the game, you can't distinguish a ship with crap stats from a ship with excellent stats. some stats, like crew and to a certain extend hullpoints, are irrelevant stats. turnrate and the distribution of yor weaponslots and the number of tac weapon consoles are actually the "good" stats.
STO is most easiest played with a tactical oriented ship that yields a lot of firepower.

there are really A LOT of avengers flying around in stfs and other endgame group missions.


*edit: ahh, i see where you got the 1000 zen difference! you mistook the venture class for a T5 (rear admiral)...that one is a T4 (captain level) skin with a console for the exploration cruiser (the free T4 one)
kind of confusing, since retrofit and refit sound a like, but are actually very different.
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