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Lt. Commander
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We all know that MES has been nerfed we all know it was used all the time we all know Klingons can cloak however at this point in time there is no skill involved in PvP so i propose a compromise.

At the end of the day when it all boils down to it, both sides are fundemently the same.

So why don't we just disable cloak / battlecloak any form of invisibily skill and pit everyone against each other in a game of skill, planning and tactics. It will be perfectly fair,

Puts on flameproof space pants
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# 2
01-30-2010, 03:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabouse
We all know that MES has been nerfed we all know it was used all the time we all know Klingons can cloak however at this point in time there is no skill involved in PvP so i propose a compromise.

At the end of the day when it all boils down to it, both sides are fundemently the same.

So why don't we just disable cloak / battlecloak any form of invisibily skill and pit everyone against each other in a game of skill, planning and tactics. It will be perfectly fair,

Puts on flameproof space pants
Do we get the hull and shield HP's back that we gave up for cloak? Does the BoP get back the BO slot is sacrificed for having Battle Cloak? You see the reality is that the factions are not fundamentally the same. I get the feeling you really haven't spent any time playing in a Klink ship.

Also MES is not "nerfed" it is bugged.

Quote:
Originally Posted by StormShade
MES is currently bugged. We'll be fixing it soon, but I wouldn't expect a return to it's former levels of power.

Thanks,

Stormshade
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...6&postcount=15

What shape it will be in when it gets fixed is anyones guess.
Lt. Commander
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# 3
01-30-2010, 03:16 PM
No, both sides are not the same!

Fed ships in general are better at everything.

Feds get better equipment.

The ONLY thing Klingons get is cloak. That is why Klingons get it, to balance the 2 factions.
Lt. Commander
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# 4
01-30-2010, 03:17 PM
No thanks.

I don't like vanilla, identical teams. Klingons cloak, Feds have sturdier ships. Stop pugging, get a group of gamers to play with and proceed on to own faces.

In beta, Klingons got crushed 19 times out of 20. The biggest change is that we learned to stick together better and work with each other.


What kills the Feds, I think, is that most of them just don't care. There we are, 5 Klingons, right out in the open, nobody is cloaked or hidden in any way and here comes Mr. Solo Fed with his friends nowhere near. I see Klingons do this sometimes too but I guess since PvP is our bread and butter, we take it more seriously.


So that's why I say to stop pugging, if at all possible. Find some other Feds who will take the game more seriously and you'll suddenly be doing a lot better.
Lt. Commander
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# 5
01-30-2010, 03:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabouse
We all know that MES has been nerfed we all know it was used all the time we all know Klingons can cloak however at this point in time there is no skill involved in PvP so i propose a compromise.

At the end of the day when it all boils down to it, both sides are fundemently the same.

So why don't we just disable cloak / battlecloak any form of invisibily skill and pit everyone against each other in a game of skill, planning and tactics. It will be perfectly fair,

Puts on flameproof space pants
MES is a pointless peice of crap. I am surprised the Feds are so in love with a skill that gave you ZERO bonuses. Whats the point of having MES when you need to ball up anyway, if the Klins see 3 players balled up where 5 should be dont you think we can deduce that the other two are using MES. Wow, you really tricked us there. What are we going to do? Oh, switch targets, thats right.
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# 6
01-30-2010, 03:39 PM
MeS was a great tool. it didnt fully take away your shields while in use and having it in conjunction with Battle Cloak gave you a lot more flexibility.

say a group of 3 Feddies are in a zone, if i'm in MES i can pop a sensor scan then use my battle cloak. problem solved, if Feds are in range we can see them now and also i'm cloaked again (rather than being exposed for another 20 seconds)
let's call this a compromise-
Klingons get Episodic content
Klingons get crafting
Klingons get more ship options ( for example, the T2 cruiser)
Klingons get their own tutorial
Federation gets official moaning rights now that the field is pretty much even
Lt. Commander
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# 7
01-30-2010, 03:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GnawLF
MES is a pointless peice of crap. I am surprised the Feds are so in love with a skill that gave you ZERO bonuses. Whats the point of having MES when you need to ball up anyway, if the Klins see 3 players balled up where 5 should be dont you think we can deduce that the other two are using MES. Wow, you really tricked us there. What are we going to do? Oh, switch targets, thats right.
This is pretty much how it ended up.

That and I knew which players would use MES after 1 match with them, basically went:

kling #1: focus 'x' sci ship

rest: okay!

me: eh, 'y' is an escort who uses MES

kling #1: oh. er... start on 'x' then shoot 'y' when he decloaks

rest: okay!

I decloak, use scanner sweep on the most obvious area and 9/10 knock him out, then RSP to stop the FF coming my way since I came out first.

Yep, it totally stop the focus firing of an escort for half a second.
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# 8
01-30-2010, 03:43 PM
If you feel this way STOP PVP'ing.
When FvF comes out start again, and play against your "balanced" counterparts. Cant wait for the nerfhammer coming to the feds about 5 minutes after FvF opens
Lt. Commander
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# 9
01-30-2010, 03:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Varrangian View Post
Do we get the hull and shield HP's back that we gave up for cloak? Does the BoP get back the BO slot is sacrificed for having Battle Cloak? You see the reality is that the factions are not fundamentally the same. I get the feeling you really haven't spent any time playing in a Klink ship.

Also MES is not "nerfed" it is bugged.



http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...6&postcount=15

What shape it will be in when it gets fixed is anyones guess.
Yea, there is no way in hell it would be "balanced" if klinks just stopped using cloak lol. Kinda sounds like you want klinks to suck so bad you can just face roll and blow up our entire fleet
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# 10
01-30-2010, 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabouse
...at this point in time there is no skill involved in PvP...
Believing this is why you lose.
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