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# 1 Aux2bat Online
11-15-2013, 01:13 AM
So let me start of by saying I play pretty much 50/50 Fed, KDF. Anymore I mainly do kerrat and pvp stuff, but also some stfs here and there, the new voth missions I enjoy to.

I don't really have a problem with aux2bat, for pve you are insane if you don't use it. The one issue I do have from a pvp view is the cooldown on RSP with aux2bat coupled with the doff that extends time, I feel that is a little much.

The reason for this post is that I really enjoy making new builds, trying different things out, going against different builds and taking away something from them. In kerrat, pvp, stfs...the whole game, all I see is damn near every ship running aux2bat. By no means am I saying aux2bat needs a nerf, but at the same time am I the only one that finds it boring when every ship runs the same BFAW DEM build.

Anymore you hit kerrat and theres atleast 2 aux2bat scimis and 4 aux2bat avengers just kinda sitting in one area spamming bfaw. To me it kind of takes the fun out of it, both as a kdf and a fed not wanting to conform.

That is just my opinion, maybe I am the only one who finds it sort of killing it for me.

*EDIT I also forgot to mention the reason I finally broke down and decided to say something in forums is that I have now seen 4 auxbat defiants running all beams. I litteraly lol'D.

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# 2
11-15-2013, 02:18 AM
Should I also complain about the number of people who stack APA, APO, EptW, FOMM, BO3, EWO Doffs, DEM, CRF, Superior Operative, Superior Infilitrator, Decloak Ambush?

Or about the people who stack defence until they become unhittable, and smash impulse capacitance cell as soon as they lose a facing?

Or about the people who spam endless cheese and doff-boosted Sensor Scrambles and Grav Wells until you are flailing around toothless and defenceless?

There are a lot of those people, yet they are not the subject of anywhere near as much tears as with A2B.

Just because a build is popular and successful, does not mean it needs nerfing, or threads such as this.
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# 3
11-15-2013, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by smokeybacon90 View Post
Should I also complain about the number of people who stack APA, APO, EptW, FOMM, BO3, EWO Doffs, DEM, CRF, Superior Operative, Superior Infilitrator, Decloak Ambush?

Or about the people who stack defence until they become unhittable, and smash impulse capacitance cell as soon as they lose a facing?

Or about the people who spam endless cheese and doff-boosted Sensor Scrambles and Grav Wells until you are flailing around toothless and defenceless?

There are a lot of those people, yet they are not the subject of anywhere near as much tears as with A2B.

Just because a build is popular and successful, does not mean it needs nerfing, or threads such as this.
Look man, like I said, im not saying it needs a nerf, not saying anything against ppl. that use it. Just in my opinion theres a difference between successful and too succesfull. If it were just successful then I doubt you would see 90% of ships now running this. If it were just successful I doubt you would see so many escorts, including defiants and BoPs, flying in cirlces with beams.
Im not crying about aux2bat, ive ran it on my cruisers but just got bored with it quickly. My only thing is that it now compromises 90% of both fed and kdf builds. FOR ME in any game where a single setup/strategy becomes the norm for the vast majority, the game begins to turn dull.
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# 4
11-15-2013, 02:52 AM
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There are a lot of those people, yet they are not the subject of anywhere near as much tears as with A2B.
Cheese is fine most of the time, most builds that rely on cheese are terrible when you remove it, there are two things that annoy me about Aux2Batt:

1, If you ask a lot of Aux2Batt pilots you get "If you don't use Aux2Batt you're doing it wrong" regardless of the objective.

2, I find it pretty much immune to SNB, which as everyone in pvp knows, is what usually makes/breaks a kill.

My reasons for not using it myself are due to number one listed above and because that level of build automation is just unnatural and takes the game out of the game.
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# 5
11-15-2013, 03:10 AM
when everyone runs one build 90% of the time, the balance of the game is completely wrong. nothing more needs to be said. the key to successful pvp is balance and fairness in each build and that one isnt overpowering the others. if the pvp doesnt have it and some person comes online and states that well, if it works not break it. trouble is it was already broken...
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# 6
11-15-2013, 03:28 AM
Some people will always flock to the best ships and builds, especially in a game where rewards are scaled by offensive capabilities.

I've never used A2B or any other 'build' either. I don't use keybinds or any sort of rotation, I've always preferred the micro-management method of mouse and big tray since it makes combat more interesting.

So if I have one criticism of cookie builds, is that certain people that fly them seem to think every other way to use a ship is flawed to the point of obsolete - which is nonsense. There is room for variation.
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# 7
11-15-2013, 03:41 AM
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1, If you ask a lot of Aux2Batt pilots you get "If you don't use Aux2Batt you're doing it wrong" regardless of the objective.

2, I find it pretty much immune to SNB, which as everyone in pvp knows, is what usually makes/breaks a kill.
1. Those people are idiots. I know there are plenty of alternatives to A2B, one of my favourites being 4x EptX with dual Aux2Damp. Also there is the classic 3xDCE and 2 Conn Officers.

2. SNB requires timing. Using it a second before APO or EptS pops and you have failed. This is the same against any build. I guess you could call SNB "spike spam".
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# 8
11-15-2013, 03:49 AM
Maybe there is not enough alternatives, so one tree stand out in the forest that way. I use Aux2Bat on my Fed character because it was the only logical solution (Excelsior Cruiser). It was not practical on my Rommie T'varo, and not needed either. So it is not a case of one solution to automatically apply to everything.

And for the people telling you how to play, I suggest... well. Can't suggest that. Need to keep a good standing you know.

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# 9
11-15-2013, 03:54 AM
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1. Those people are idiots. I know there are plenty of alternatives to A2B, one of my favourites being 4x EptX with dual Aux2Damp. Also there is the classic 3xDCE and 2 Conn Officers.
I run Aux2Damp myself after I tried Aux2Batt, though I run with two DCEs to keep my EPtX cycle in check, I find it far more fun and my cruiser's mobility level feels almost canonical
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# 10
11-15-2013, 03:55 AM
No worries, eventually they will make it so you can only have 1 active duty technician, same as with many other Doffs.
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