Captain
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# 21
11-18-2013, 03:41 PM
Overall, it's way better than the old system.

Better distribution of gear, ground gear with costume options (still disappointed we didn't get some with Romulan Rep), tier upgrade projects that are instantly finished, not having to stockpile hypos or shield batteries, easier on new characters due to not having to contribute exp etc...

Even though I'm almost reaching T5 on every reputation system on all of my alts, I really hope for new players that the old systems will be getting the treatment the Dyson Rep has.
Rihannsu
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# 22
11-18-2013, 04:44 PM
Dyson Reputation == Win!!!


I can play at my own speed.
The number one absolute most awesome thing about the Dyson Rep is that I can play more/work harder and "get ahead" on the rep. The old reps are locked in at a minimum of 36 days to complete (without sponsorship). No matter how many missions I take or how often I play, the most I can earn is 2800 rep XP per day. Dyson has the large project that still locks me to a "Daily" cycle, but it's that marvelous 1hr project that is the icing on the cake.

I tend to play in 3-5hr chunks and it's easy for me to often log on for a min here or there, just to kick off that 1hr project. I've earned tons of extra rep XP already. It's been less than a week since launch and I'm already 3-4 days ahead with about 26k XP, and I'll get another 2500 this evening (plus more 150s). I should have T3 complete by Wed.

The resources required seem easier to get.
Individual missions reward less marks than an STF, but there are all sorts of mark sources. I got marks comin' out my ears. I can't seem to spend 5 mins in the Dyson Sphere (ground or space) without earning a mark or three from something, and that's without queuing-up for a Event mission. That's just running little "activities", accepting 10-mark missions from all sorts of mission-givers, DOff Assignments, etc. Or just run/fly-ing around blowin' up the bad guys (and apparently gaining control of areas). Sure, I've done a handful each of Elachi Invasions and Breach missions (I'm not too fond of Stormin' the Spire, though, not sure why... Only done that once...), but of course I'll run a few.

I've just been playing the new content. I haven't really felt like I was replaying the same missions over-and-over again. I do expect this feeling will change once the newness wears off, and/or I start in on my second (to say nothing of my 14th) alternate characters... but that's on me, as I do think there's enough content to EASILY get one character through Dyson without there feeling like a grind. It's reasonable to feel grindy on alt-replay (though that's going to be reduced by half thanks to rep sponsorship!).

Also, there are fewer marks needed in the Rep. The 1hr project needs marks, but it's set at 20 per go, regardless of Tier. Gear needs marks too, I haven't looked to close, but those rates seem fair and on par with the other systems. I ran one 350-mark special project to get some extra Commendations (that I so far haven't needed after all), bought a 600-mark PSG, and still have 500-ish marks in my bank.

Getting rid of batteries, regens, and commodities dramatically reduces the slider game and saves time, effort, bank space, and credits. This is awesome. Going directly to inputting credits only/directly is fantastic! The reduction in Expertise is welcomed as well.

Nice Rep Powers
I like that all the rep powers appear to have good uses. I'm not yet certain which I'm going to be taking at Tiers 3 & 4, but that just means they've both got their uses.

Free Gifts
I'm only doing the Dyson Rep so far on my Main character, and his build is pretty solid. I haven't needed any of the free gear I've received from starting projects, but I expect some of my Alts will find use for it. Even flushing away as vendor trash is nice. The amount of credits received is more than that required by the project, so I'm making a (very small) profit on each transaction.

I think Cryptic made a significant advancement in the Dyson Rep System. Some might argue it's just another hamster wheel intended to keep us running in the game, and I wouldn't disagree, but this wheel is better hidden. It feels more integrated into the game. As I said earlier, if you just play the game you can get all you need to progress through the Rep with very little extra effort.

Well done Cryptic! Please proceed to retrofit this style of Rep with your old systems.

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At Tier 5, a project is supposed to unlock where you can trade them for Dyson marks and dilithium.
Oh, see now I thought we'd be able to trade the Commendation marks for Dilithium, but I didn't realize we'd also be able to trade them for more Dyson marks... Are you sure/Is this true? Because that's going to be a cherry on this sundae!

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# 23
11-18-2013, 07:57 PM
I wan to add to the compliments. I didn't test this on Tribble so I encountered it new on holodeck.

I kept thinking things like, "Wow. It would be nice to convert marks into commendations because I can't play a lot every day." But before I could make the suggestion, I found the option to do just that. The gift boxes for doing projects make me WANT to do them. The hourly assignment is great for marathon play.

The zones are fantastic and the ways we acquire the marks are fun. The rewards seem well tuned.

I really want to congratulate everyone on a job well done.

My ONE tweak would be that I think it would be neat to have a final tier of the rep boxes, which contain consumables and gear. I'm not a fan of buying consumables attached to rep but I'd take them as part of a random box reward.

And then to drive interest in the Tier 5 boxes, have rare rewards that ONLY exist in the T5 hourly boxes.

Imagine we're talking Omega Rep. Take the KA Borg Sci BOffs. Have the hourly box provide a 1% chance at those or perhaps player unlocked versions of the Bridge officer Liberated Borg bodysuits.

Vanity items as rare drops from a T5 version of the hourly box, with consumables and gear as the standard prizes.

Gear being random is annoying because it hinders progression. And at T5, you could buy gear or get it randomly, either way. But having vanity rewards as T5 random earned box unlocks hinders nobody's progression but does keep people playing and keeps vanity items rare.

Omega could award the Borg bodysuit and variants of the KA Bridge Officer.

Romulan could award new hull texture (based on the gear sets?) and perhaps eman bridge officers.

I realize Tholian BOs could never happen (how would they sit?) but maybe an alien in an EV suit from a demon class planet, with a fiery glowing faceplate and Tholian-like abilities?

Voth Bridge officer, obviously. I keep hoping for a a tactical kit with two raptors as the security escort.
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# 24
11-20-2013, 10:30 AM
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I can play at my own speed.
...I should have T3 complete by Wed...
Turns out I got Dyson T3 completed yesterday (Tue), about midday. Man, I love the new Rep! It's lovely to be able to go at my own pace. There's all this new stuff to do in the Dyson sphere zones, so I'm playing it and earning lots of marks. In the old reps I think I would feel like I was waiting for the rewards... In Dyson I feel like the rewards are, uh, rewarded more immediately. It's so much more satisfying!!!

So yeah, burning through Dyson now. I really want to get the Sponsorship tokens for my Alts before I start them. I figure I'll slow down then (or rather be making similar progress with half the effort).

And T3's Vanquish is an awesome ability to have in the Battlezone. I look forward to Tactical Advantage (the space version) in T4.


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Captain
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# 25
11-20-2013, 12:52 PM
This is the best reputation so far.

My reasons for liking it:


1 Less grind. -- 10 minutes of play gets you started with a commendation.

2 Cheaper grind. -- No need for half a million ec's worth of provisions, expertise, or other stuff dumped in. Just a commendation.

3 Better unlocks -- Mark XII stuff unlocked in all tiers.

4 Free gifts -- THese are useless to my super kitted ships, but to an alt or a new player these new consoles are awesome. Which is important.

5 Easy marks -- Like Romulan rep or Omega rep, this one can get marks fast. Yeah, I dislike the slow nukara mark grind.


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# 26
11-20-2013, 01:20 PM
I think I'd still like to see Mk X & XI versions of the gear, however getting a Mk X, then Mk XI, and finally XII with the cost increasing so drastically is kinda painful and frankly a waste. I'd prefer an upgrade project. Let's say a Mk X set cost 500 marks 20 shield gens and 12k dil (I know this isn't the cost but bare with me) then the Mk XI set cost 600 marks, 25 shield gens and 15K dil. Instead of having to through all that into there why not have a project that cost 100 marks, 5 shield gens, 3K dil, and the Mk X set to "upgrade" to the higher set.

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# 27
11-21-2013, 07:25 AM
Personally i would like a 3 rep experience mission, one in the 4-10 hour range, for when we are sleeping/working.
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# 28
11-25-2013, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by lordhavelock View Post
I can play at my own speed.
I just got to T4 Dyson this morning. At my current pace I'll make T5 in ~10 days, finishing the Dyson Rep in ~23 days, ~2wks sooner than previous Reps (36 days).


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# 29
11-25-2013, 09:29 AM
I'm another in the 'love it' camp.

So far have the Dyson Engine, Deflector and the Gravimetric torpedo. All were far less painful to obtain than previous rep gear. And very impressed with all three items so far.

Frankly, the Dyson rep is far less tiresome than it's predecessors - I actually don't mind running it on more than one character, which is more than I can say for the older ones. Definitely a step in the right direction!

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# 30
11-25-2013, 10:44 AM
I concur with the general sentiment here.

Dyson rep doesn't even make me feel like I am grinding. I used to detest and avoid all ground, yet the Battlezone keeps me not only coming back over and over, but bringing fleetmates into it with me and teaching them how to do it.

I know it would be asking too much, but the only tweak I'd made is to make those giftbox drops bind on account.

Now, if we could only get this kind of action moved to other rep tracks. Defera seems natural for Omega, Nukara Prime for Nukara (loosen up the cooldowns and take the Hards off the PVE Queues; basically open up the area again!).

Romulan? Meh, I am so used to chasing Epohhs and the rep sponsorship will make it so you only need 4 of the little buggers instead of 8 for the marks.
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