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When it comes to Fleet Holdings, it seems that the biggest bottlenecks for large fleets is getting enough Dilithium, for small fleets however, the biggest problem is Fleet Marks. Nothing has been done to help small fleets (despite the odd pre-LOR promises), so most small fleet holdings progress at a snails pace.

Fortunately, this has the advantage of leaving plenty of spare Dilithium (for getting C Store ships or the odd Lobi ship) and this ensures that we can continue to play for free, never being tempted to part with any RL money.

Thank you for that, Cryptic.
"He tasks me. He tasks me, and I shall have him. For every doff box bought, I'll chase him round the Moons of Nibia and round the Antares Maelstrom and round Perdition's flames. For every single doff box opened, I stab at thee from hell's heart. For every single doff contributed, I spit my last breath at thee..." Khan Playing STO
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# 2
11-18-2013, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by humblesheep View Post
When it comes to Fleet Holdings, it seems that the biggest bottlenecks for large fleets is getting enough Dilithium, for small fleets however, the biggest problem is Fleet Marks. Nothing has been done to help small fleets (despite the odd pre-LOR promises), so most small fleet holdings progress at a snails pace.

Fortunately, this has the advantage of leaving plenty of spare Dilithium (for getting C Store ships or the odd Lobi ship) and this ensures that we can continue to play for free, never being tempted to part with any RL money.

Thank you for that, Cryptic.
Well I spent my zen on keys and used the rich mining claims to pay the dilithium. Does that count?

Still trying to find easier marks though. . .
Rihannsu
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# 3
11-18-2013, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by humblesheep View Post
for small fleets however, the biggest problem is Fleet Marks. Nothing has been done to help small fleets (despite the odd pre-LOR promises)
Bwuh?

One of the best ways of obtaining marks is to simply do doff missions - even just the ones from Department Heads.

Do these missions at least once a day and you'll be able to turn 10,000 cxp to 75-100 FM every couple of days.

Moreover, numerous PvE missions reward dozens of Fleet Marks in addition to their standard rewards. If you're struggling for FM then teach your fleetmates how to do No-Win Scenario properly and you can grind all the marks you want there. And if you don't want to grind NWS, then numerous dailies and PvE missions can reward you with hundreds of marks for just a couple of good runs.

I myself am not in a huge fleet. Several dozen people with a handful of devoted ones that tend to log-in every day. Despite this Fleet Marks are not a problem. Quite the opposite actually - we've got so many of them we've barely got any opportunity to spend them all.
Captain
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# 4
11-18-2013, 06:20 AM
You know what I like most about Fleet projects?

There are versions that do not require dilithium for experience (not for upgrades sadly - apparently Crysalot must have their blood sacrifice at some point so they kill the crew then) and when you think a smart person would slot those you always get the illiterate who slots the other one first.
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# 5
11-19-2013, 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by suaveks View Post
One of the best ways of obtaining marks is to simply do doff missions - even just the ones from Department Heads. Do these missions at least once a day and you'll be able to turn 10,000 cxp to 75-100 FM every couple of days.
We do that, and we average 1000-1200 FM/day just from the doffing. As we pull in between 45k and 75k dill per day, it's always the FMs that run out first.

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Moreover, numerous PvE missions reward dozens of Fleet Marks in addition to their standard rewards. If you're struggling for FM then teach your fleetmates how to do No-Win Scenario properly and you can grind all the marks you want there. And if you don't want to grind NWS, then numerous dailies and PvE missions can reward you with hundreds of marks for just a couple of good runs.
I myself am not in a huge fleet. Several dozen people with a handful of devoted ones that tend to log-in every day. Despite this Fleet Marks are not a problem. Quite the opposite actually - we've got so many of them we've barely got any opportunity to spend them all.
We are now down to 2, so "several dozen" is huge to us. For getting FMs, the value of missions is directly proportional to numbers of players you have. Your fleet may be an order of magnitude smaller than a large one, but we are an order of magnitude smaller than yours.

At the moment we are 20k FMs short of getting the mine to T3, so in 2-3 weeks we will still have zero FMs banked, but be sitting on a sizeable pile of Dil.
"He tasks me. He tasks me, and I shall have him. For every doff box bought, I'll chase him round the Moons of Nibia and round the Antares Maelstrom and round Perdition's flames. For every single doff box opened, I stab at thee from hell's heart. For every single doff contributed, I spit my last breath at thee..." Khan Playing STO
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# 6
11-19-2013, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by humblesheep View Post
When it comes to Fleet Holdings, it seems that the biggest bottlenecks for large fleets is getting enough Dilithium, for small fleets however, the biggest problem is Fleet Marks. Nothing has been done to help small fleets (despite the odd pre-LOR promises), so most small fleet holdings progress at a snails pace.

Fortunately, this has the advantage of leaving plenty of spare Dilithium (for getting C Store ships or the odd Lobi ship) and this ensures that we can continue to play for free, never being tempted to part with any RL money.

Thank you for that, Cryptic.
I'm not sure I understand your comment. if I do, then I don't agree with it. Either my fleet is doing a whole lot wrong, or there is no Dilithium to go around. I'm the leader of a fleet of about 8 players, and only 3 of us are regular (more than once a week). If I do a few dailies and a mission (still getting thru them all) I might maybe make 1000 Dilithium. After we earned our Tier 1 SB, every project now requires 50,000+ dilithium! If I spent every dil on the fleet, it would still take a month to finish one project, and it takes 10 projects to level up... So, there is never ANY spare dilithium anywhere in a small fleet...

So, help me understand what it is you mean by "leaving plenty of spare dilithium"...
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# 7
11-19-2013, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by humblesheep View Post
When it comes to Fleet Holdings, it seems that the biggest bottlenecks for large fleets is getting enough Dilithium, for small fleets however, the biggest problem is Fleet Marks. Nothing has been done to help small fleets (despite the odd pre-LOR promises), so most small fleet holdings progress at a snails pace.

Fortunately, this has the advantage of leaving plenty of spare Dilithium (for getting C Store ships or the odd Lobi ship) and this ensures that we can continue to play for free, never being tempted to part with any RL money.

Thank you for that, Cryptic.
Correction:

Large Fleets is in demand are for Fleet Credits, they got Dilithum and Fleet Marks to spare while Small Fleets have to spend more in Dilithum and work harder to earn Fleet Marks.
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# 8
11-19-2013, 11:20 AM
I mean no disrespect crm14916, but 1k dilithium per character is a bit low, I believe I read somewhere that Cryptic said the average was about 3k. Each of my toons averages 3k on doffing and contraband; dailies then add on top of that, depending on how energetic I feel that particular day.

It seems there are only two ways to level up, either join a large fleet, or grind, grind, grind. Half of my fleet left the game because they wanted to play casually, didnt want to join a large nameless (their words) fleet and therefore felt 2nd rate because everyone else (again their words) had access to better gear.

Being in a small fleet is not a particularly sensible way to play this game, we did it because we were friends; and if I had half a brain, I would also have given up a long time ago.
"He tasks me. He tasks me, and I shall have him. For every doff box bought, I'll chase him round the Moons of Nibia and round the Antares Maelstrom and round Perdition's flames. For every single doff box opened, I stab at thee from hell's heart. For every single doff contributed, I spit my last breath at thee..." Khan Playing STO
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# 9
11-19-2013, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by azurianstar View Post
Correction:

Large Fleets is in demand are for Fleet Credits, they got Dilithum and Fleet Marks to spare while Small Fleets have to spend more in Dilithum and work harder to earn Fleet Marks.
Wish I could sell you some Credits, I have millions (literally).
"He tasks me. He tasks me, and I shall have him. For every doff box bought, I'll chase him round the Moons of Nibia and round the Antares Maelstrom and round Perdition's flames. For every single doff box opened, I stab at thee from hell's heart. For every single doff contributed, I spit my last breath at thee..." Khan Playing STO
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# 10
11-20-2013, 05:34 PM
The lesson here is that there's an optimal size of fleet in terms of active members. Large fleets with 500 people, of which about 10% might be active, are clearly too large, and thus trip over each other.

Then again, I basically soloed a starbase to 5/5/5, so...y'all are just a bunch of slackers.
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