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# 1 diving does.. nothing?
01-31-2010, 03:00 AM
I swear on the tutorial it told me that diving around I could avoid damage.. I tried it first with bullets and they just swerve mid-air and hit me, I though ok.. I can deal. but then I tried it against Gorn throwing boulders at me.. the boulds are like heat seeking missiles they follow me too, pretty ridiculous.. did they take this feature out and forgot to remove it from the tutorial or something?
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# 2
01-31-2010, 03:17 AM
Nope, it never worked in beta either...the "rolling dodge" mechanic basically is only useful for positioning. I've yet to be able to dodge grenades, boulders, or close combat strikes using the dodge, but at least I can look cool or something? x_x

I think it's because the hit probability is figured as soon as the animation for the hit starts, not when the hit actually lands. So even if you dodge away from that boulder in mid-toss, it has already been decided at the start whether or not the damage is going to hit you.

I suppose you can "dodge to avoid damage" by dodging behind cover, so they can't shoot at you even more? Dunno. Just one of the things that bothers me.

-Kunou
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# 3
01-31-2010, 03:46 AM
Diving is useful if they throw a grenade at you. Or avoiding mortar attacks. And for getting away from swordmasters once you knock them down.
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# 4
01-31-2010, 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TigerRei View Post
Diving is useful if they throw a grenade at you. Or avoiding mortar attacks. And for getting away from swordmasters once you knock them down.
Yeah, as far as I can tell, stuff like Grenades target the ground underneath you and not you, so you can move out of their way while they're in transit.
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# 5
01-31-2010, 04:13 AM
Yes you can basically only dodge grenades and mortar shots. Photon grenades though are quite hard to avoid, I suspect it's because they have a big area of explosion. Plasma grenades (which are the one you want to avoid most anyway) are dodgeable quite easily.
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# 6
01-31-2010, 09:40 AM
yep it does seem to work for nades and melee. Let us face it, phaser fire wont be fooled by someone doing a roll.
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# 7
01-31-2010, 10:00 AM
Also works for avoiding at least some of the spread fire from automatic bolt weapons. Tried this tonight with some success. Not so hot on beam weapons though.
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# 8
01-31-2010, 10:08 AM
You take less damage when rolling, check the damage numbers, while rolling they'll say something like "Dodge 1"
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# 9
01-31-2010, 10:09 AM
Best dodge - run round corners.

Just don't do it against NPC's as their bullets go through the corner, whilst pvp ones actually do get stopped.
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# 10
01-31-2010, 10:10 AM
I've actually been practicing trying to roll/dodge those freaking boulders, and sometimes if I time it while the boulder is in mid-transit, when it hits, it actually scrolls up 'Dodge - 2' instead of your typical damage numbers.

It may animate that it follows you stupidly, but I think it does actually add an element of 'dodge' to the damage rolls, at least for those damned heat-seaking boulders. ;P It definitely does help when you see the red targeting circle light up around your feet when a mortar is about to take a pot shot at you to roll the crap out of the way ASAP, and same for incoming grenades if you're quick enough.

I'd test and see if rolling around while people are blasting you with beam weapons actually changes the damage numbers to say 'Dodge - x' just like the flanking modifier.
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