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# 61
02-01-2010, 10:35 AM
Frak, nearly any amusement park for that matter. Or many restaurants. Or an opening night blockbuster film. Or a concert. Or ComicCon. I could go on...
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# 62
02-01-2010, 10:36 AM
First crybabies complain WAAAH the server crashes then they implement a queue to help that out and they cry WAAAH I can't get in. Grow some pubes and grow the heck up people.
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# 63
02-01-2010, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Obsidius View Post
Fallacy of inductive reasoning.

Of course it never happened in CoX... when Virtue and Freedom filled up, you were just hosed if you played on either of those servers, because it wouldn't allow any new log ins at all. Of course, they fixed that issue recently... by implementing a queue server in those instances :p And if you didn't play on those servers, it didn't mean the problem didn't exist, it just meant you could easily ignore them.

None of those other games have super high populations, except for perhaps EVE. Still, the way the servers and architecture are structured can impact how logins and player loading are handled.

Of course, you left the biggest MMO (WoW) out of the list, conveniently, which also uses a queue system during impact.
EVE actually has a queue as well now, Mostly i think it controls access to the log in servers not the game servers themselves since i have gotten a queue there at 30k players and at 50k players online.

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Originally Posted by Obsidius View Post
Certainly a better solution.
How is pounding the connect button rather then having it queued a better solution!?

queue:
connect ... wait ... check email while waiting ... ingame

connect button spam:
click denied,
click denied,
click denied,
click denied,
repeat 800 times,
finally connected

oh wait i see, with the connect spam you think you might sneak in earlier then if you wait in line. Heck they need a queue for this reason alone!

you are probably one of the jerks that go to theme parks then line cut to get to the front rather then waiting your turn. How many old ladies have you pushed out of the way in your zeal to get to the front of the buffet line at golden corral? They have started actually doing stuff about that sort of line cutting, last time i was at universal studios i watched security escort some idiot out of the line after he cut past most of the people.
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# 64
02-01-2010, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by theCorvus
So what? You still have to queue to receive the service you want.

Oh and perfect analogy. "Big name amusement park".

This whine is like someone going to an amusement park where you pay at the gate. And finding that it is the middle of tourist season that there is massive queues for everything.
And again...these statements of standing in lines for things you want are NOT the same thing. In all of those examples...if in line for restaurant...you haven't paid for it yet, so you can leave and go to another one. If you are at the supermarket and you are in a long line that isn't moving because of an incompetant register operator, you can push your basket to the side and leave and go to another store. If you are in a long line at an amusement park...if it is to get in, you haven't paid and can leave. If it is for a ride, you can go to another ride with a shorter or no line until the other frees up. All of the above examples, you do not get in line, then throw them your wallet and then you have to stay in line because they have your money already.

I fully agree that there should be no queues to wait for something you paid for, otherwise they should go to free until they get it right. I have already paid $87 for the game which is a very expensive 30 day period to not get to play when I can during the week while I work and then for the server to keep breaking down on the weekend because the server is loaded to capacity and the queue is bogged down. There are a ton of "free" games that you don't even have to wait to play with a heck of a lot more people playing on a server than this. How do they afford their servers from just donations compared to monthly charging ones?

Instead of precharging a monthly fee then if it is going to be queue city and may only get to play a few hours a month, they should go to a post-pay. There are 720 hours in a 30 day month. At 14.99/month even that comes to roughly 2 cents per hour...and that is only if someone can go 30 days without sleep, has someone bringing them food, plays on the toilet, and doesn't have to go to a job to pay for this.
So let's figure that most people will only get 8 hours max that just work and sleep with no family or lives, and 12 hours on the weekends. So at best 272 hours of play for the no lifers per month. That comes to 5.5 cents per hour. So have them charge our credit cards at the end of the month of actual PLAY time we got 6 cents per hour. Not queue time.
So this way for those that may only have 2 hours a day to play during the week and 8 hours a day on the weekends, and they spend the entire week in queues and only get 4 hours of play time a day on the weekends because the rest of their time is waiting in queues. They are paying for services rendered.

Let's use a fresh example of this type of service. Wouldn't you be mad if you pay for cable or internet service at a set monthly fee, but in a city of 500,000 people that have the same service, only 150,000 people could use it at any time and put the rest in a queue. So now you are without internet, or you are going to miss your favorite shows because the timeslot they are in you can't get into queue and you can't even tape the show to watch later....you people would be fine with that?
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# 65
02-01-2010, 10:53 AM
ITT: QQ moar plz
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# 66
02-01-2010, 10:54 AM
I do like the idea of a queue better than random chance of clicking the login button at the right moment, but you cannot deny that a queue of 2000 people is a bit too long. Something needs to be done to lower that queue length and improve the total amount of players the servers can handle--where's the new server hardware they were talking about before?
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# 67
02-01-2010, 11:27 AM
agreed. If I pay a monthly fee then i want to play any time during that month i wish to other than scheduled down time. If i'm only able to play some of the time then the subscription costs shouldn't be the highest of any MMO out there.

this is pay to play, not pay to wait.

this is especially bad for those of us who have jobs and lives. I can't get on when the same kids who have been on for the last 8 hours aren't going to be logging off for another 8 hours. I am only home during "peak" hours and by the time I get home the servers are full and everyone without a job get's to just keep playing while I wait.
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# 68
02-01-2010, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by skullkandy View Post
agreed. If I pay a monthly fee then i want to play any time during that month i wish to other than scheduled down time. If i'm only able to play some of the time then the subscription costs shouldn't be the highest of any MMO out there.

this is pay to play, not pay to wait.

this is especially bad for those of us who have jobs and lives. I can't get on when the same kids who have been on for the last 8 hours aren't going to be logging off for another 8 hours. I am only home during "peak" hours and by the time I get home the servers are full and everyone without a job get's to just keep playing while I wait.

First...sub fees *equal to* not highest. The sub fee is the same as any other big name MMO.

Also, do you *honestly* think that this is a long term solution? They've posted on this issue, starting back in OB when it first hit and people were left knocking on the login page, (and asked for a queue system as a stopgap). The numbers they predicted for CCU's were completely blown away by the actuality, and they put a rush on more hardware to handle the load. They're increasing server capacity, but it's not simply a matter of calling NewEgg and overnighting a new desktop.
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# 69
02-01-2010, 11:43 AM
I feel for people waiting in Queue, but complaining about it or cancelling your sub means nothing..this is how things work in today's MMOs and it isn't going to change. You are delusional if you think it will. That said, it isn't going to stay like this, and putting up with (hopefully) a few days of adjustment isn't that huge a deal.

Enough with the threats already, the demand for this game is huge, they already have a lot of people's money from pre-orders and more once launch goes out...do you think they care if 2% of the bottom line leave after a month?
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# 70
02-01-2010, 11:46 AM
My bet is that in two weeks the queue will be gone as the population drops like a rock.
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