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# 1 Nausicaan pirate trait
12-01-2013, 01:52 PM
So I noticed that the Nausicaan pirate trait was changed to a space trait.

It has +150 stealth and +1.5% all damage

So I got one and added to my 3 infiltrators.

However, I didnt see an increase in stealth. And also no buff icon, just like the infiltrators.

Is it working at all?
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# 2
12-01-2013, 02:14 PM
None of the +Stealth stack.

Subterfuge does not stack with Infiltrator.
Subterfuge does not stack with Pirate.
Subterfuge does not stack with Subterfuge.
Infiltrator does not stack with Subterfuge.
Infiltrator does not stack with Pirate.
Infiltrator does not stack wtih Infiltrator.
Pirate does not stack with Subterfuge.
Pirate does not stack with Infiltrator.
Pirate does not stack with Pirate.

That's just the +Stealth (other bonuses do stack).

At least the 150's do not stack (doesn't matter if Captain or BOFF)...some folks say the +200 Infiltrator does stack with a single +150 Subterfuge or Pirate. If you've got 3x Infiltrators, going to assume they're Sup Infil at 200...so with you're seeing it not stacking with the +150 Pirate, then it would go back to the none of them stack with each other.

Which I still find odd in the case of the Sub/Sup Infil - though perhaps that is a special exception Cryptic made? I've never gotten one and I'm not going to waste the EC on one to see if it does or not.


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# 3
12-01-2013, 02:21 PM
yes, its strange.

Because the description of subterfuge states that it doesnt stack with other subterfuges.

That is not the case for infiltrator and pirate. And I clearly see 3 buff icons for the 3 different infiltrators.

So, guess things are not really "working as intended".....

It would be nice though if you could add the 3 different stealth traits
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# 4
12-01-2013, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rudiefix1 View Post
yes, its strange.

Because the description of subterfuge states that it doesnt stack with other subterfuges.

That is not the case for infiltrator and pirate. And I clearly see 3 buff icons for the 3 different infiltrators.

So, guess things are not really "working as intended".....

It would be nice though if you could add the 3 different stealth traits
Subterfuge stacking was done away with back in March. It was broken at some point after LoR launched. It was only recently fixed within the past month or so. Infiltrator not stacking was a decision they made after fixing Subterfuge again. Pirate not stacking was a decision they may when they fixed it recently (it's been a broken Space trait labeled as Ground for a wee while)...

Let me see if I can't hunt down those patch notes...

March 13th, 2013: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=583151

"- The Stealth Bonus and Ambush Bonus from having multiple Bridge Officers with Subterfuge does not stack, but the Defense bonus will."

October 3rd, 2013: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=870051

"Subterfuge
The Stealth bonus granted no longer stacks.
Only the highest bonus will apply."


October 24th, 2013: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=890841

"Infiltrator: Resolved an issue where the Stealth from Infiltrator was unintentionally stacking."

November 12th, 2013: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=910761

"Trait - Pirate
Resolved an issue where Bridge Officers with this power were not passing the power to their Captain.
The damage bonus of the Pirate trait stacks across multiple stationed Bridge Officers and a Captain, but the stealth bonus is limited to one copy and does not stack with any other trait-based Stealth bonus."


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# 5
12-01-2013, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
None of the +Stealth stack.

Subterfuge does not stack with Infiltrator.
Subterfuge does not stack with Pirate.
Subterfuge does not stack with Subterfuge.
Infiltrator does not stack with Subterfuge.
Infiltrator does not stack with Pirate.
Infiltrator does not stack wtih Infiltrator.
Pirate does not stack with Subterfuge.
Pirate does not stack with Infiltrator.
thats BS. you should be able to stack 1 Infiltrator, 1 Pirate, and 1 Subterfuge
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# 6
12-01-2013, 02:53 PM
BOFF stealth skill only stacks with the captain's skill one time
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# 7
12-01-2013, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ursusmorologus View Post
BOFF stealth skill only stacks with the captain's skill one time
Doesn't even do that.

Willard's Captain Infiltrator doesn't stack with any of his BOFF's Subterfuge.

I've got a toon on Tribble from back during the LoR testing, a Romulan - and her Sub doesn't stack with the Sub from any of the BOFFs.

Each only has a single +150 Starship Stealth.


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# 8
12-01-2013, 03:08 PM
I havent checked traits stacking. Come to think of it, I dont even have any captains with stealth traits, all of them have stealth skill points and the BOFF traits seem to stack with that fine (although now that I have written it I have to go check--thanks VD).
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# 9
12-01-2013, 03:40 PM
I really do need to find a cheap Reman with Sub/Sup Infil...cause that would have to stack, no? I mean, on the same BOFF - the two traits - they'd have to stack, right? But I've got a funny feeling they don't.

I agree with what Drunk said, and yeah - when they changed Infiltrator so it didn't stack with Sub...I was kind of ticked off.

Heck, then again - I'm of the opinion that whatever the Captain has should stack regardless of what the BOFFs have as well.

Say you had the following...

Reman Captain w/ Infiltrator or Romulan Captain w/ Subterfuge
+
Reman BOFF w/ Subterfuge & Superior Infiltrator
+
Nausicaan BOFF w/ Pirate

Heh, course that would be +150+150+200+150...so uh...+650...or +325 Stealth Value; but given how easy it is to detect - if somebody wanted to do that...yeah.

It's not the same as somebody running a Reman/Romulan Captain with 5x Remans which was +1900 Starship Stealth or +950 Stealth Value. (Yeah, that's what they did at some point after LoR...and...yeah, there was reason to complain about that.)

Cause if you're going with the Reman BOFFs - you're giving up the Superior Operative's +CrtD/CrtH. Even though the Naus Pirate gives you +1.5% All Damage, it's still not the +2% CrtH/+5% CrtD.


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# 10
12-01-2013, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
Cause if you're going with the Reman BOFFs - you're giving up the Superior Operative's +CrtD/CrtH. Even though the Naus Pirate gives you +1.5% All Damage, it's still not the +2% CrtH/+5% CrtD.
i REALLY hope they dont think pirate makes up for the rom faction boffs. even the crit vs damage doesn't even out. and rom faction boffs also give defense score, ambush duration, and cloak cooldown on top of that
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