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There seems to be a difference of 10% hull and Shield modifier between the fleet ship version of the fed ships and the tier 5 VA ships.

May I suggest applying it to all fleet ships.

So the fleet dreadnought would have 44k hull and 1.1 shield and an additional console.

While the Odyssey will have 46,000 hull and 1.265 shield modifier. however, to compensate this maybe making Odyssey having less inertia rating, less turn rate, and less impulse modifier. The feds flagship should at least have at par or more tanking capability than lockbox flagship cruisers although with less firepower and mobility. Its justs very odd the Odyssey is the only tier 5 fed cruiser that has equal shield modifier and hull with its fleet counterpart.

Canon wise Fed cruisers are suppose to have better shields and defense than offense than its opponents and counterparts.
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# 2
12-02-2013, 05:53 AM
Sounds terrible. Why make it turn slower? Less people would even want it then.
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# 3
12-02-2013, 07:24 AM
odyssey does not need a fleet version as its stats are that of a fleet ship. same with the vesta and steamrunner these ships are at the same level as fleet ships. in fact the steamrunner is almost a copy&paste of the fleet patrol escort.

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# 4
12-02-2013, 07:31 AM
The thing is they would never even do a fleet version of 3 packs ship that is in the Cstore since it has fully upgraded like a fleet ship.

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# 5
12-02-2013, 09:34 AM
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The thing is they would never even do a fleet version of 3 packs ship that is in the Cstore since it has fully upgraded like a fleet ship.
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odyssey does not need a fleet version as its stats are that of a fleet ship. same with the vesta and steamrunner these ships are at the same level as fleet ships. in fact the steamrunner is almost a copy&paste of the fleet patrol escort.
To answer both the above, the odyssey has a weaker hull than the fleet cruisers like Advance heavy cruiser, support heavy cruiser and assault cruisers. I can accept the odyssey being weaker offensively since its purpose was never to be like a avenger battle cruiser. Its smaller hull than those supposedly better offensive centric fed cruisers just isnt right. There are 3 dreadnoughts in sto fed. of what we know, 2 of it are weaker in hull vs the other fleet cruisers. at least the galaxy x aint a fleet version yet. And the jupiter class hasnt appeared yet.

if the odyssey got better hull, as a dreadnought, it would excel on its goals as a tank better than those fleet fed cruisers i mentioned above rather than the opposite.

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Sounds terrible. Why make it turn slower? Less people would even want it then.
its a compensation to add hulls to odyssey which is inferior to other offensive centric fed cruisers. It would be unfair to add something and not subtract anything and its the only thing i could think to compensate. The physics would allow for it having more survivability and less maneuverability since it has the most crew in any current fed cruiser available to players.
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# 6
12-02-2013, 09:54 AM
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To answer both the above, the odyssey has a weaker hull than the fleet cruisers like Advance heavy cruiser, support heavy cruiser and assault cruisers. I can accept the odyssey being weaker offensively since its purpose was never to be like a avenger battle cruiser. Its smaller hull than those supposedly better offensive centric fed cruisers just isnt right. There are 3 dreadnoughts in sto fed. of what we know, 2 of it are weaker in hull vs the other fleet cruisers. at least the galaxy x aint a fleet version yet. And the jupiter class hasnt appeared yet.

if the odyssey got better hull, as a dreadnought, it would excel on its goals as a tank better than those fleet fed cruisers i mentioned above rather than the opposite.

its only a 900-1450 hull hp gap between said fleet ships and the oddy, nothing that small of a gap is going to do much. If your skills are setup right the oddy is one of the best hull tanks for feds even my tac toon gets about 60k+ hull in the tac oddy and if 60k+ hull isn't cutting it for you maybe posting your build may help because if your having a hard time tanking in an oddy your doing something very very wrong.

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# 7
12-02-2013, 01:06 PM
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its only a 900-1450 hull hp gap between said fleet ships and the oddy, nothing that small of a gap is going to do much. If your skills are setup right the oddy is one of the best hull tanks for feds even my tac toon gets about 60k+ hull in the tac oddy and if 60k+ hull isn't cutting it for you maybe posting your build may help because if your having a hard time tanking in an oddy your doing something very very wrong.
I call shennaigans simply for the fact that its supposed to be top ot the line brand new when it came out. It should have top hull. At the very least matching the Fleet Galaxy for hull.

FAHCR more hull check, FECR more hull check, FSCR more hull check, every Fleet cruiser having more Hull than the Oddy, Check.

Base for the Oddy should have been 44k Hands down. And to be fair the BortasQu' should be 45.5k to match the 2k increase.
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# 8
12-02-2013, 01:51 PM
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To answer both the above, the odyssey has a weaker hull than the fleet cruisers like Advance heavy cruiser, support heavy cruiser and assault cruisers. I can accept the odyssey being weaker offensively since its purpose was never to be like a avenger battle cruiser. Its smaller hull than those supposedly better offensive centric fed cruisers just isnt right. There are 3 dreadnoughts in sto fed. of what we know, 2 of it are weaker in hull vs the other fleet cruisers. at least the galaxy x aint a fleet version yet. And the jupiter class hasnt appeared yet.

if the odyssey got better hull, as a dreadnought, it would excel on its goals as a tank better than those fleet fed cruisers i mentioned above rather than the opposite.



its a compensation to add hulls to odyssey which is inferior to other offensive centric fed cruisers. It would be unfair to add something and not subtract anything and its the only thing i could think to compensate. The physics would allow for it having more survivability and less maneuverability since it has the most crew in any current fed cruiser available to players.
I would be to differ. The Oddy tactical cruiser is more than a match offensively for the other fleet level ships. It can also slot a LtCmdr Tactical AND a Lt Tactical, something that NONE of the other fleet cruisers can do. It is more versatile, and as a result, better for most situations.

It can tank just as well as ANY of the other fleet cruisers, it can dish it out and take it just as hard (and in some cases harder), AND it can do some crazy science crap too (depends on where you put your LtCmdr).

The strength of the Odyssey is in it's LtCmdr universal slot. Depending on where you slot that, it can either have lots of offensive capability, lots of tank, or lots of utility. And it should also be noted the C-store Odyssey is already at fleet strength. It has a 1.15 shield mod when the shield mod for most non-fleet cruisers is 1.0. It has 42k base hull when most non-fleet cruisers are at 39k. It has 10 console slots when most non-fleet cruisers are 9 consoles. It basically has built in what most fleet ships come with.

As for lockbox ships being stronger? Um... don't take this the wrong way... but... DUH. They're PAY TO PLAY ships. So you PAY REAL MONEY (in the form of keys). You GAMBLE. The actual chances of getting one are apparently less than 5% in many cases. That means you blow lots of money for PWE to get, and as a result, in the event you do happen to stumble upon one, you will be rewarded. It's that cheeseburger at the end of the tunnel mentality. You blow money on keys and try to open lockboxes in the event you are rewarded.
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# 9
12-03-2013, 09:37 AM
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its only a 900-1450 hull hp gap between said fleet ships and the oddy, nothing that small of a gap is going to do much. If your skills are setup right the oddy is one of the best hull tanks for feds even my tac toon gets about 60k+ hull in the tac oddy and if 60k+ hull isn't cutting it for you maybe posting your build may help because if your having a hard time tanking in an oddy your doing something very very wrong.
Defense has diminishing retuns while offense doesnt. A tac console just isnt equal to a eng or sci console when you place a res console or a generator.

I can hull tank on my odyssey better than my fleet avenger. I just can only hull tank better on the fleet assault, fleet advanced heavy and fleet support. Odyssey is already nerfed by mutiple weaknesses. Why make it weaker on the thing that is supposed to be good vs other fleet crusers which are already better vs odyssey in offense

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I would be to differ. The Oddy tactical cruiser is more than a match offensively for the other fleet level ships. It can also slot a LtCmdr Tactical AND a Lt Tactical, something that NONE of the other fleet cruisers can do. It is more versatile, and as a result, better for most situations.

It can tank just as well as ANY of the other fleet cruisers, it can dish it out and take it just as hard (and in some cases harder), AND it can do some crazy science crap too (depends on where you put your LtCmdr).

The strength of the Odyssey is in it's LtCmdr universal slot. Depending on where you slot that, it can either have lots of offensive capability, lots of tank, or lots of utility. And it should also be noted the C-store Odyssey is already at fleet strength. It has a 1.15 shield mod when the shield mod for most non-fleet cruisers is 1.0. It has 42k base hull when most non-fleet cruisers are at 39k. It has 10 console slots when most non-fleet cruisers are 9 consoles. It basically has built in what most fleet ships come with.

As for lockbox ships being stronger? Um... don't take this the wrong way... but... DUH. They're PAY TO PLAY ships. So you PAY REAL MONEY (in the form of keys). You GAMBLE. The actual chances of getting one are apparently less than 5% in many cases. That means you blow lots of money for PWE to get, and as a result, in the event you do happen to stumble upon one, you will be rewarded. It's that cheeseburger at the end of the tunnel mentality. You blow money on keys and try to open lockboxes in the event you are rewarded.
You are comparing apples and oranges. Please do not compare non fleet stat with fleet stat.

I do have spend lots of keys on lockboxes. 100+ per ship that i want. The problem with you is the non sense mentality that you have with flawed logic. Please go away if you are going to just make non constructive non objective criticisms.
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# 10
12-03-2013, 02:48 PM
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You are comparing apples and oranges. Please do not compare non fleet stat with fleet stat.

I do have spend lots of keys on lockboxes. 100+ per ship that i want. The problem with you is the non sense mentality that you have with flawed logic. Please go away if you are going to just make non constructive non objective criticisms.
I'm going to ignore your ignorance and try this again in simpler terms:

The C-store Odyssey already IS fleet level. I am not "comparing apples and oranges." as you put it.

What do the other fleet ships have that the Odyssey doesn't? Let's go over this carefully.

FACR, Fleet Excel, Fleet Amby all have 10 consoles. The C-store Oddy has 10 consoles.

FACR, Fleet Excel, Fleet Amby all have 12 BOff abilities. The Oddy has 12 BOff abilities.

FACR, Fleet Excel, Fleet Amby all have a higher than 1.0 shield mod (the +10% that ALL FLEET LEVEL SHIPS HAVE). The Oddy has a higher than 1.0 shield mod.

FACR, Fleet Excel, Fleet Amby all have the 10% bonus to their hull from their non fleet versions. That puts them around 43k hp. All the Odysseys START with 42k hull, which puts them at that +10% over non fleet cruisers... which is exactly what fleet versions have.

Now let's see what the Odyssey has that the other cruisers don't:

The Odyssey from the C-store is equivalent to all the other Fleet level cruisers. And in many ways it's better. You seemed to blatantly ignore the part of my post in which I explained how it's BOff diversity makes it so much stronger than any of the others. It is more versatile than ANY other cruiser IN THE WHOLE GAME. There is no other cruiser that can become anything, like the Odyssey can.

The Odyssey can become a damage dealing monster if you slot a LtCmdr Tactical and Lt Tactical. No other fed cruiser can do that. The only other one that comes close is the Avenger. And the KDF Fleet Tor'kaht. Both fleet level ships.

It can tank just as well as the Fleet Galaxy, FACR, and Fleet Excel. Just as well, if not better. It has more utility than the above 3. The only one that has utility equal to it is the Fleet Amby.

You seem to not understand that simple concept of versatility. That's the Odyssey's strength. Yeah, it has 1500 less hp than the others. Yeah it's slower and doesn't turn as well. But you know what? 1500 hp translates to at most 4500 hp after skills and gear. Maybe 5k hp. But that's nothing. It's shields are actually BETTER than most other fleet level cruisers. You can do things with an Odyssey you can't even come CLOSE to doing with the other ships.

But nope. It's weaker. It's crap.

Dude... seriously. Open your eyes. Stats aren't everything. I have seen Odysseys that can keep up with Fleet Sovvies and Fleet Excels with damage, and in fact in many cases surpass them. With ease. I can tank better in my Oddy than in ANY of my other ships, INCLUDING my Fleet Sovvy. I can deal damage with it just as well as with my Fleet Sovvy. Using the exact same loadout, exact same gear, exact same BOffs... except of course taking advantage of the universal slots, it does equal if not better than my Fleet Sovvy.

If you ignore the rest of my post (which I get the feeling you will), at least read this part. The Odyssey has two UNIVERSAL BOff slots. That, combined with it's practically equivalent stats (seriously, 5% difference in hull is meaningless), actually make it BETTER than the other cruisers.
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