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# 41
01-31-2010, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonny2284 View Post
But it's not a glass cannon anyway, you just have to play it to it's strengths, I rip through groups of enemies before they get their **** together enough to target me, when they do between my own shield abilities and those of my Engineer BOFF it does'nt make a dent, if I get really hammered evasive manuevers and passive get me out of trouble to repair, then right back in high yield torp and mines a blazing.
Something worth noting about escorts is that the engineer or science class is a great choice for the escort.
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# 42
01-31-2010, 04:15 PM
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You can just feel the seething nerdrage as his spittle hits the screen during his furious typing, can't you?
I loled. Thank you
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# 43
01-31-2010, 04:15 PM
ist all in ship and abilitiy set-ups
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# 44
01-31-2010, 04:16 PM
Yeah, if you're not lasting one minute in battle then you're doing something wrong. Keep your weapons and shields current for your level, and don't go fighting things way above your level. If you're doing the content your supposed to be and outfitted properly, you should be crushing groups of enemies in under a minute.

There was a thread in the starfleet academy forum detailing weapon types and their cooldowns and how many you should have of each to maximize your DPS by making sure you always have one available. (i.e. dual cannons have a 2 second cooldown, and a one second global cooldown, so if you have 2 mounted front, you will be able to fire one or the other every second) I'm too lazy to find it, but conversations abound. 2 dual cannons mounted front with a torpedo launcher is killer. First pass, 10km, hit emergency power to weapons and cannons: Rapid Fire and mash the space bar every second. about 5km in, hit Torpedo High Yield and let loose. they'll hit bare hull by the time they get there and that should be it for the first ship in the group. Target the next and wear it down as much as you can for the next pass. Pass over it, get some distance, turn around, and do it again. If you're doing it right, you'll have to balance your shields infrequently. You'll be more concerned with just keeping your front and rear shield facings up.

Once you make lt. cmdr. and get your first escort, dual cannons front is pretty much a standard operating procedure. Once you get into the heavy escorts at Cmdr and higher, you get into some heavy duty damage abilities as you get more and more tactical stations, more improvement slots for them, and higher ranking bridge officer abilities.

Do stuff for your level, don't go wandering into higher level areas and bite off more than you can chew, and keep your little escort well equipped and you'll be destroying stuff so fast you'll be in here asking the devs to nerf it because you kick too much a$$
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# 45
01-31-2010, 04:16 PM
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While I know the game needs the holy trinity, "classes", the OP has a point.. Warships in Trek are built for firepower and survival.

The only thing that gets me is, they spent all that time writing a huge backstory for the game, all the lore and canon for after the events of Nemesis... then it breaks down to healer, tank, dps. I know, I know, its a game but a mixture of both lore and gameplay would be nice.
They ARE survivable. They are not tanks. If you take on 3 Klingon ships by yourself in PVP, then you will die. Not because of the ship, but because you're playing the class wrong. A tank wouldn't survive a 3 vs 1 fight either. They would just take alot longer to die.

And I fail to see what the backstory has to do with ship classes. Again, if you think all escorts are like the Defiant, you are wrong. The Defiant had an NX registry and was an experimental warship outfitted with all kind of prototype gear.

The name "escort" itself implies you are a class designed to fight with another ship. Its all about teamwork. Having extensively played as both Fed and Klingon in PVP, the main difference I've seen is that Klingons tend to fight together, focus fire and evade damage. Maybe its the lack of PVE content that makes them think they can take on 6 ships at once. I've used an escort class on both sides and I consistently get the highest damage in the room. I have alot of deaths, but it's to be expected with my class.

The bottom line is what you guys are asking for would not work in an MMO. Further more the defense of "well thats the way they were in the show" doesn't hold water either. if you want to live longer, roll a Cruiser.
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# 46
01-31-2010, 04:17 PM
I think they already mentioned that ablative armour is not class wide but specific to defiant and some other ships.

Also, what's your beef? I love the escort. Never die in quests and still manage to top the dps lists and win blues in fleet missions even if I die 4 times.

I hate this term 'glass cannon' it's bandied about by people who are either cruiser oriented and will hear nothing good about the escort or by people who just have not learned how to play the high DPS hit and run game.

neither remora, genser or griffon class escorts had ablative armor if you want to get anal about canon.

You can not use the Defiant as comparison for anything as it's not a standard ship class.

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# 47
01-31-2010, 04:18 PM
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What i want is something like the klingon have with the bird of pray. cloak plus nice shields nice armor and nice weapons.
That is kind of what i had in mind of the escort class not to be a tank but not to be a glass cannon.
Clearly spoken by someone who hasn't taken the time to play Klingon.
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# 48
01-31-2010, 04:18 PM
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The escort class ship is completely unlike the original intent that the star trek series originally designed it. I am very disappointed that cryptic has taken away from the class design in order to fit it into the DPS/glass cannon slot.

The escort class is suppose to be heavy armor/ heavy weapons platform. The class is called escort because it is suppose to escort less armored and less armed ship classes.

As it stands now i cant last one Minuit in battle. I get hit with a torpedo my shields are down and get hit with phasers my armor is down 50% i spend the next 30 seconds trying to dodge and stay alive. This is not what the escort class is designed to do.

The escort class is suppose to have specially designed armor called Ablative armor. and this is what its suppose to do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablative_Armor

Also Where is my cloaking device that comes on escorts.

For more information on the huge discrepancies here are 2 places that you can gather info on how the ship is suppose to be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Defiant
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Defiant_(NX-74205

If Cryptic can not stay with the lore of star trek, then i cant play this game. I hope that a change is made soon. and i hope that star trek fans unite to help keep cryptic in there place.

Newb to game balance alert.

QQ. "wheres my CLOAK! ZOMG"
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# 49
01-31-2010, 04:18 PM
During beta, my initial view of Escort ships were kind of like that of a Rogue in WoW.

I stand corrected, they're exactly like Rogues in WoW. Just like the players behind them. "Yeah I have the highest DPS but I want to be able to tank while doing it.
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# 50
01-31-2010, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by scowal View Post
The escort class ship is completely unlike the original intent that the star trek series originally designed it. I am very disappointed that cryptic has taken away from the class design in order to fit it into the DPS/glass cannon slot.

The escort class is suppose to be heavy armor/ heavy weapons platform. The class is called escort because it is suppose to escort less armored and less armed ship classes.
*Facepalm ala Picard.* Are you saying that you want to be both DPS and tank? Sorry to break it to you, but Escorts aren't supposed to be superships that can't be destroyed. They dont got good armor and shields because they shift all the load into damage and DPS. You want to take punishment? Use a Cruiser and start tanking, that's what cruisers are for.

Either you go Cruiser for tanking or Escort for DPS. Not both.

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As it stands now i cant last one Minuit in battle. I get hit with a torpedo my shields are down and get hit with phasers my armor is down 50% i spend the next 30 seconds trying to dodge and stay alive. This is not what the escort class is designed to do.
The hell you're talking about? I played Tactical Officer up to Commander in OB and I had no such trouble, unless I was aggroing a whole battleship group in deep space at 0 or +1's. I could solo a Negh'var 0 [Unusually weak] easily and drop it's front shields in one massive barrage at max attack setting, then throw evasive, high yield torpedo, come around and throw another barrage.

Sounds like you ****ed off a large battleship group, which comes to a very costly price unless you are a cruiser who can tank their initial alpha strike. And what level were you? And what level were they? 0's? +1? -1? or? Give us more info than just some screaming about how fast your shields drop. I have played escorts long enough to know their strengths and weaknesses and know how to really put them to use.

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The escort class is suppose to have specially designed armor called Ablative armor. and this is what its suppose to do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablative_Armor
Newsflash! Ablative armor is an engineer console slot. Just find a drop of it, buy it or look it up on exchange. Problem solved.

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Also Where is my cloaking device that comes on escorts.
..... Only USS Defiant EVER had cloaking and it was for very specific, GOOD reasons it had. No other escort ship in the entire Federation ever had it. I dont know how you read up on USS Defiant, but you are either ignorant or you dont know the whole lore about USS Defiant and how it got it's cloaking device.

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For more information on the huge discrepancies here are 2 places that you can gather info on how the ship is suppose to be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Defiant
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Defiant_(NX-74205)
Firstly: USS Defiant is a one-of-a-kind escort ship that Worf used. There are no other superships in the Federation. Dont believe me? Watch some DS9 episodes and watch escorts pop like there was no tomorrow.

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If Cryptic can not stay with the lore of star trek, then i cant play this game. I hope that a change is made soon. and i hope that star trek fans unite to help keep cryptic in there place.
Sounds like you need to read up on lore alot more than Cryptic. You missed alot of points and you call yourself a Trek fan? Re-watch DS9 and learn history before you come back here.
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