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# 51
01-31-2010, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by alreya
So you really expect an MMO is going to have a one-ship High DPS/High Defense/Cloaking Pwnmobile?

Defiant was a unique ship in any case, but still. It's an MMO. You need some semblance of balance.

O.O
Wow, I want a High DPS / High Defense / Cloaking Pwnmobile!

What level is that unlocked? Does Sulu have them? Where is he anyway...?
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# 52
01-31-2010, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mrwafu View Post
You can just feel the seething nerdrage as his spittle hits the screen during his furious typing, can't you?
LMFAO.... owned.
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# 53
01-31-2010, 04:21 PM
I would openly admin the science ship is tougher than the escort and to a tad lesser extent the cruiser class. A science vessel can take more of a pounding than both, debuff enemy skills, and mounts just as many weapons (2 fore, 2 aft).
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# 54
01-31-2010, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by scowal View Post
The escort class ship is completely unlike the original intent that the star trek series originally designed it. I am very disappointed that cryptic has taken away from the class design in order to fit it into the DPS/glass cannon slot.

The escort class is suppose to be heavy armor/ heavy weapons platform. The class is called escort because it is suppose to escort less armored and less armed ship classes.

As it stands now i cant last one Minuit in battle. I get hit with a torpedo my shields are down and get hit with phasers my armor is down 50% i spend the next 30 seconds trying to dodge and stay alive. This is not what the escort class is designed to do.

The escort class is suppose to have specially designed armor called Ablative armor. and this is what its suppose to do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablative_Armor

Also Where is my cloaking device that comes on escorts.

For more information on the huge discrepancies here are 2 places that you can gather info on how the ship is suppose to be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Defiant
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Defiant_(NX-74205

If Cryptic can not stay with the lore of star trek, then i cant play this game. I hope that a change is made soon. and i hope that star trek fans unite to help keep cryptic in there place.
so what, you thought they pulled Sabres, Akiras, and Steamrunners(Zhephyrs) out of thin air? You do realize that the difference between say a Destroyer and a Destroyer Escort IRL is mainly that the DE is a smaller faster ship right? And you do realize that only 2 federation ships have been authorized to carry cloaking devices right?
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# 55
01-31-2010, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ZootCadillac
I think they already mentioned that ablative armour is not class wide but specific to defiant and some other ships.

Also, what's your beef? I love the escort. Never die in quests and still manage to top the dps lists and win blues in fleet missions even if I die 4 times.

I hate this term 'glass cannon' it's bandied about by people who are either cruiser oriented and will hear nothing good about the escort or by people who just have not learned how to play the high DPS hit and run game.

neither remora, genser or griffon class escorts had ablative armor if you want to get anal about canon.

You can not use the Defiant as comparison for anything as it's not a standard ship class.

http://twitpic.com/10ry3d/full

look Mr. Wizard. regardless of HOW you pfly the vessel, it still can not take a punch. do i think the op wants too much? yep.but i dont care who you are, you get hit in PvP (escorst are usually the first targets of the kdf since we put out some decent dps) your going down. that is why its a "glass cannon.
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# 56
01-31-2010, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Thorny
I would openly admin the science ship is tougher than the escort and to a tad lesser extent the cruiser class. A science vessel can take more of a pounding than both, debuff enemy skills, and mounts just as many weapons (2 fore, 2 aft).
Yep. But it lacks the escort's cannons. Otherwise loving my science ship/engineer captain. 4 phaser slots used at once isn't so bad. And nothing - including taking in a fleet of 4 cruisers/3 BoP of equiv level for 5 minutes (had to run away - but w/e) - has managed to kill me yet.
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Yeah, if you're not lasting one minute in battle then you're doing something wrong. Keep your weapons and shields current for your level, and don't go fighting things way above your level. If you're doing the content your supposed to be and outfitted properly, you should be crushing groups of enemies in under a minute.

There was a thread in the starfleet academy forum detailing weapon types and their cooldowns and how many you should have of each to maximize your DPS by making sure you always have one available. (i.e. dual cannons have a 2 second cooldown, and a one second global cooldown, so if you have 2 mounted front, you will be able to fire one or the other every second) I'm too lazy to find it, but conversations abound. 2 dual cannons mounted front with a torpedo launcher is killer. First pass, 10km, hit emergency power to weapons and cannons: Rapid Fire and mash the space bar every second. about 5km in, hit Torpedo High Yield and let loose. they'll hit bare hull by the time they get there and that should be it for the first ship in the group. Target the next and wear it down as much as you can for the next pass. Pass over it, get some distance, turn around, and do it again. If you're doing it right, you'll have to balance your shields infrequently. You'll be more concerned with just keeping your front and rear shield facings up.

Once you make lt. cmdr. and get your first escort, dual cannons front is pretty much a standard operating procedure. Once you get into the heavy escorts at Cmdr and higher, you get into some heavy duty damage abilities as you get more and more tactical stations, more improvement slots for them, and higher ranking bridge officer abilities.

Do stuff for your level, don't go wandering into higher level areas and bite off more than you can chew, and keep your little escort well equipped and you'll be destroying stuff so fast you'll be in here asking the devs to nerf it because you kick too much a$$
To inform you i have always been equal if not higher lvl to the enemy.
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# 58
01-31-2010, 04:30 PM
I'm really interested in the escort class. for those who fly them, do you think it fits the "special forces" theme generally? that's what I'm going for with my first captain..also sounds like they fly like rifters, if so I'm sold
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# 59
01-31-2010, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by scowal View Post
The escort class ship is completely unlike the original intent that the star trek series originally designed it. I am very disappointed that cryptic has taken away from the class design in order to fit it into the DPS/glass cannon slot.

The escort class is suppose to be heavy armor/ heavy weapons platform. The class is called escort because it is suppose to escort less armored and less armed ship classes.

As it stands now i cant last one Minuit in battle. I get hit with a torpedo my shields are down and get hit with phasers my armor is down 50% i spend the next 30 seconds trying to dodge and stay alive. This is not what the escort class is designed to do.

The escort class is suppose to have specially designed armor called Ablative armor. and this is what its suppose to do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablative_Armor

Also Where is my cloaking device that comes on escorts.

For more information on the huge discrepancies here are 2 places that you can gather info on how the ship is suppose to be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Defiant
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Defiant_(NX-74205

If Cryptic can not stay with the lore of star trek, then i cant play this game. I hope that a change is made soon. and i hope that star trek fans unite to help keep cryptic in there place.
Your entire thesis on escorts is obviously due to poorly built officers and lack of knowlage on how to utilize proper buffs.

I use for instance my own build. I am an Engineer, but I plan on running an escort. I made it to Lt Commander while in beta, and when I got all of the goodies slotted and all of the powers slotted up I could take the alpha from 4 Klingon Atttack cruisers and survive just fine. Now this wasn't dumb luck it was due to proper planning, good slotting and plenty of shield inpsiration buffs I used, but the overall DPS of the escort cleared the mobs so fast that it made thier DPS unable to kill me.

The escorts you are thinking of comparing this to are part of ST lore, I agree, but it was because Mr. Sisko was able to develop a weapons platform that utilized the proper armors and buffs as we would know them. Try using the following...

Emergency power to shields + Hull Polarization + Evasive Manuvers +Setting yourself to defensive mode (During the alpha period) + Modulate Shield Frequency = OMGISTHATANESCORTORACRUISER!!!???

This is the only foreseeable way for you to be able to take the damage that you are expecting to unless you are running with a science vessel that doesn't want to do anything but wait around to buff you, and I seriously doubt that you will find anyone willing to do such a thing all the time.

Hope this helps you solve your delimma.
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# 60 Really?
01-31-2010, 04:32 PM
Really your science vessels sound really powerful.

I mean the only thing i ever managed to survive with over 80% hull strength is 5 gorn warships 3 frigates 2 cruisers, and 1 gorn dreadnought.

Thats the best I managed in a crusier, but your science vessels sound much better than cruisers.
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