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# 111
12-18-2013, 06:58 AM
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They did? I dont think so ... we lost some of the stuff like proto to Dil but gained others but thats not really the point.

STFs had people because of the RNG method of Mk XII acquisition, if you wanted a set you had to run then all and because RNG is not kind people complained about it but still, you could not just buy them ... it required the Gods of RNG smile at you but at least you would end up with Mk XI stuff for free.

Them come the Reputation system that shoved everything on the Rep store and people congregated to the one, finished their Sets and abandoned them ... we still see some traffic buts that about CSE and KAGE.

The theory in Cryptic about the marks is to make people to stay 4 months in until they release a new system with the exact same intent but maintain STF gear as the top-of-the-line so you pretty much just do Omega Rep, pick ONE set and just do the others for Rep passives ... because everything else is inferior.

I mean ... we have the Implants, why not just ditch marks off the price because at least people would actually be more inclined to pick them up instead wanting for us to buy Zen, convert it to Dilithium and then grind Marks for it ...meaning the whole process seems intended to even if you want to buy the set you also have to grind the set.

Dyson Sphere after the initial wave will became like New Romulus and Nukara when people finish Rep and move on ... then we get a new rep and we repeat the process.
In case you were not around for it. He is referring to when they majorly reduced the dilithum from STFs back when the reputation was in testing. ESTFs were giving like 240 or 360 ore instead of 960 and no reward drop. They reduced the dilihtum awarded and required dilithum for the rep xp projects. This lasted until the general outcry convinced them to change it and it ended up being what we have now. (After a couple versions)
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# 112
12-18-2013, 09:22 AM
Just completed the rep. Now got to wait for cryptic to finish the T5 completion loot.....

Edit:

May have been a little hasty on the DOOOOOM front.

Just noticed this project appear on completing the Dyson Rep.

For one commendation you get 820 Dilithium and 20 Marks, along with a T4 Equipment box.

Can a dev confirm whether this project will stay, or will it be removed along with the other nerfs?

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# 113
12-18-2013, 10:05 AM
So...what's the point of even doing the space content then? The main reason I did the dailies was for the marks and dil. Comms are easy to get anywhere, those aren't even an issue. If the only place to get marks and dil reliably is the battlezone, then that's where I'll be. I can even get a Comm there to boot. Thanks for invalidating the space zones I guess?

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# 114
12-18-2013, 10:23 AM
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So...what's the point of even doing the space content then? The main reason I did the dailies was for the marks and dil. Comms are easy to get anywhere, those aren't even an issue. If the only place to get marks and dil reliably is the battlezone, then that's where I'll be. I can even get a Comm there to boot. Thanks for invalidating the space zones I guess?
No idea, they made the space zone irrelevant for leveling the reputation, unless you want to go very slowly by doing the one area mission and getting the commendation.
10 marks from the one area mission isn't even enough to start one of the smaller projects, so why bother with the zone?
Might as well endure the buggy battlezone, even if it is horrible.
The whole point of this new reputation was to remove the grind aspect from it, but now it is just the same as the others....

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# 115
12-18-2013, 11:32 AM
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In case you were not around for it. He is referring to when they majorly reduced the dilithum from STFs back when the reputation was in testing.
Ah, that ...

If I recall they removed Dilithium period, only thing that given Dilithium was the Fleet Actions and Reputation projects had Dilithium inputs and things were far worst, there was a small player rebellion and they dropped those plans.

Problem is what I said its still correct, with Season 7 you have 2 reputations ... Omega and New Romulus so people remained playing them ... then come LoR and Tholian rep and people switched, them come the Voth rep.

There is someone here that said about people should be in the Dyson Sphere but you only need to look at Nimbus III to know the moment you out-level it, you ditch it and there is a gap of Omega Reputation Sets and every other set, if you have a Omega set you pretty much set because nothing is better, this makes other sets irrelevant and because of grind and costs on sets you pretty much only get one, this leads to every reputation grindan zone being abandoned when the new grindan zone comes around because for most players you are just there for the passives.
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# 116
12-18-2013, 11:46 AM
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Just completed the rep. Now got to wait for cryptic to finish the T5 completion loot.....

Edit:

May have been a little hasty on the DOOOOOM front.

Just noticed this project appear on completing the Dyson Rep.

For one commendation you get 820 Dilithium and 20 Marks, along with a T4 Equipment box.

Can a dev confirm whether this project will stay, or will it be removed along with the other nerfs?
Which in the end equates to less loot more Grind in the long run. IE to get 820 Dil, and the rest, you need to take that Dyson Commendation and effectively give it back; meaning that you need to make a choice, but either way it's more grind in that you NEED a Dyson Mark to get it. You're not longer getting 960 Dil and 50 Marks and a once a day Commendation -- you're TRADING that earned Commendation for LESS Dil (820) and LESS Dyson Marks (20).

So, yes, as usual the promise of 'less grind' for Dyson Reputation falls flat about 1 month after release. It's not 'bait and switch' it's more like going back on an actual documented in various media promise made to the playerbase <--- And that sucks.

No wonder Mr. Stahl doesn't really interact with the players directly on the forums, has substituted a random 'Monthly Dev Blog' in place of his original monthly Q&A blog where he used to answer player questions directly - and has the corporate shill Al Rivera do interviews and dismiss STO player's concerns as baseless, or (inaccurately) stating every Dev thread gets 'Godwin'd' at some point (the exact phrase he used was "How many posts 'til Hitler..."); and has PWE_Branflakes post a year end retrospective letter. Mr. Stahl knows he can'tr keep a promise any longer, so he just doesn't want to actually face/interact directly with the STO Playerbase any longer.

It's pretty obvious a more accurate catchphrase/welcome to new players should be:

"Welcome to 'Grind' Trek Online"
^^^^
Pretty sad state of affairs if you ask me, which does go beyond this one particular issue. Is this change itself truly gamebreaking in the long run? Nope. That said, it really does highlight the fact that Cryptic really isn't up to keeping even a basic simple promise to the Playerbase that was communicated unambiguously; and I'm sure if there's any 'official' response to this thread (or this post) it'll be PWE_Brandon to the defense spinning how wrong/misguided our observations and concerns on this issue are.
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# 117
12-18-2013, 01:16 PM
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Which in the end equates to less loot more Grind in the long run. IE to get 820 Dil, and the rest, you need to take that Dyson Commendation and effectively give it back; meaning that you need to make a choice, but either way it's more grind in that you NEED a Dyson Mark to get it. You're not longer getting 960 Dil and 50 Marks and a once a day Commendation -- you're TRADING that earned Commendation for LESS Dil (820) and LESS Dyson Marks (20).

So, yes, as usual the promise of 'less grind' for Dyson Reputation falls flat about 1 month after release. It's not 'bait and switch' it's more like going back on an actual documented in various media promise made to the playerbase <--- And that sucks.

No wonder Mr. Stahl doesn't really interact with the players directly on the forums, has substituted a random 'Monthly Dev Blog' in place of his original monthly Q&A blog where he used to answer player questions directly - and has the corporate shill Al Rivera do interviews and dismiss STO player's concerns as baseless, or (inaccurately) stating every Dev thread gets 'Godwin'd' at some point (the exact phrase he used was "How many posts 'til Hitler..."); and has PWE_Branflakes post a year end retrospective letter. Mr. Stahl knows he can'tr keep a promise any longer, so he just doesn't want to actually face/interact directly with the STO Playerbase any longer.

It's pretty obvious a more accurate catchphrase/welcome to new players should be:

"Welcome to 'Grind' Trek Online"
^^^^
Pretty sad state of affairs if you ask me, which does go beyond this one particular issue. Is this change itself truly gamebreaking in the long run? Nope. That said, it really does highlight the fact that Cryptic really isn't up to keeping even a basic simple promise to the Playerbase that was communicated unambiguously; and I'm sure if there's any 'official' response to this thread (or this post) it'll be PWE_Brandon to the defense spinning how wrong/misguided our observations and concerns on this issue are.
Umm... No.

The project he discovered has been there since the beginning. It is unlocked when you Cap the Dyson rep and is something to do with the daily commendation you are likely to still be getting from time to time. It has always been there, I discovered it after they made the rep project autocomplete after a couple seconds way back in the early testing of the Sphere. As soon as I hit Tier V and completed the upgrade project that project to turn 1 commendation into 820 dil + 20 marks showed up in the list.
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# 118
12-18-2013, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ikuruyo View Post
Umm... No.

The project he discovered has been there since the beginning. It is unlocked when you Cap the Dyson rep and is something to do with the daily commendation you are likely to still be getting from time to time. It has always been there, I discovered it after they made the rep project autocomplete after a couple seconds way back in the early testing of the Sphere. As soon as I hit Tier V and completed the upgrade project that project to turn 1 commendation into 820 dil + 20 marks showed up in the list.
Yup, you can only access that project after you have got to T5 Dyson rep....

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# 119
12-18-2013, 03:51 PM
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Yup, you can only access that project after you have got to T5 Dyson rep....
Wow - they're just really nerfing the hell out of the Dyson Sphere zone rewards then. (Sorry, at work and since in the screenshot it listed a Tier IV reward; I thought you were seeing it at Tier IV and it was something new as all the other Rep Projects give you a reward item of equal Tier to your characters Tier Level in Dyson Rep.)
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# 120
12-18-2013, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by sunfrancks View Post
Just completed the rep. Now got to wait for cryptic to finish the T5 completion loot.....

Edit:

May have been a little hasty on the DOOOOOM front.

Just noticed this project appear on completing the Dyson Rep.

For one commendation you get 820 Dilithium and 20 Marks, along with a T4 Equipment box.

Can a dev confirm whether this project will stay, or will it be removed along with the other nerfs?
I think that is for people who hit tier 5 and cant do anything more with their commendations.

Still,as said here before, why not keep the commendation changes but also keep the daily mission giving only dilithium and marks?
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