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# 91
02-01-2010, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Riyx
The matching system has nothing to do with the match, you are a klink you have the option to stay cloaked as long as you want to. So trying to say you are outnumbed means nothing. If you wanted to you could stay cloaked until the feds all left.
Now that would be simply lame. Some might do this, but nobody I fight with does. If they just sat cloaked and didnt at least try to fight or do anything they would deserve an ass beat. Thats a **** poor option IMO.
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# 92
02-01-2010, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MagnusTyrel View Post
And thats why we love and hate you at the same time Meat

*Hugs*
I'm kind of indifferent to him, did come off as kind of a **** at start of OB, seems more like some sort of grumpy old person who goes on trying to train the newbs in martial art films but's a **** about it, personally I disagree with his thoughts on t1 gear but w/e, I'm just glad he got rid of that burnt face guy avatar.
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# 93
02-01-2010, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by panzerbunny View Post
Funny. You have other people getting wiped by feds....so..isn't that balance? An equally distribution of people experiencing wins and loses?


*/yawn*
Exactly good players win, bad ones lose. There is your balance. For every person who whines about one side being OP, is another on the other side whining about the same thing. It wouldn't matter how badly you nerfed one side or another you would continue to have bad players whine about trying to make them nerfed more until they could finally get their own gimpiness to actually defeat them most the time.
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# 94
02-01-2010, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by panzerbunny View Post
Funny. You have other people getting wiped by feds....so..isn't that balance? An equally distribution of people experiencing wins and loses?


*/yawn*
coming from a guy that has no idea what abilities do or even how they are used......

its a /yawn to read your posts
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# 95
02-01-2010, 02:00 PM
Matches at the start of headstart didn't give any badges for us, this seems fixed now. But having a full MkII setup I didn't feel any need to upgrade. Played OB, so I knew what I was doing and died 5 times in 2 days of PvP. I know, as you get a quest that tracks how many times you die to another player captain.

The reason I came up with is, it's very easy to get to 6 on Fed side and not get that many upgrades to your starter gear. This affects your Boff abilities badly (I upgrade deflector dish ASAP as a science char).

Do not PvP as fed till you are ready! And don't go all offense! Hazard Emitter I is not on any officer I could requisition as a fed. Go to the store and get it. Voila - High avoidance for alphas. Think your skills thro and spec accordingly.

I see a lot of well thought out Klingons. A lot more playing Science or Engineer now too, and not just healing themselves. I'm one of those who drops cloak last and starts healing your alpha's. I hate the ball with a passion from Beta. Once it breaks tho, you're toast and we can pick you off with ease.

We get to T2 with a lot of credit's in the bank. (If you're sensible).

I hit 11 got a MKII BOP, 2 sci Boffs, 1 tac (Rapid fire). Went and bought 2 MKIV Heavy Dual disruptor cannons, MKIV Photon torp launcher, MK IV Turret, MK IV deflector, MKIV +Disruptor tac console. Promoted all my Boffs, so I can rotate em to suit my needs. Bought all T2 skills for em.

Join PvP. Find escort. Destroy. Buff team. Debuff Sci. Grin.

So I'd say Nerf our start T1 gear, make us spend SOME credit's/badges. At the moment we can kit for mid T2 at the start.
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# 96
02-01-2010, 02:03 PM
thanks for letting the cat outta the bag ill make sure all my fed buddies read this page.. j/k guys and gals. I have had some really fun games in pvp when the klingons teamed up and when they didnt team up its was ugly for them..
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# 97
02-01-2010, 02:03 PM
The only thing the Feds may actually need is a pop up reminding them to fit appropriate gear before joining in PVP matches. Thats the only legitimate complaint I have seen from the Fed side, too many new players, who don't know any better, joining in PVP without bothering to aquire the proper equipment for it. Maybe even give them a quest, at level 6, that rewards an entire set of MK II white gear, seeing as the Feds are apparently to lazy to spend their badges, or run through their missions prior to joining PVP.
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# 98
02-01-2010, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Gesler View Post
Do not PvP as fed till you are ready! And don't go all offense! Hazard Emitter I is not on any officer I could requisition as a fed. Go to the store and get it. Voila - High avoidance for alphas. Think your skills thro and spec accordingly.

I see a lot of well thought out Klingons. A lot more playing Science or Engineer now too, and not just healing themselves. I'm one of those who drops cloak last and starts healing your alpha's. I hate the ball with a passion from Beta. Once it breaks tho, you're toast and we can pick you off with ease.
It brings a smile to my face to see other klings rolled sci or eng (another reason we are doing better than we did in CB/OB.
In OB everyone was a tac/badly skilled eng on the klingon side, now I'm getting in pugs with 2 tac 2engies and a sci bop.
Makes me smile every time
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# 99
02-01-2010, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Gesler View Post
Matches at the start of headstart didn't give any badges for us, this seems fixed now. But having a full MkII setup I didn't feel any need to upgrade. Played OB, so I knew what I was doing and died 5 times in 2 days of PvP. I know, as you get a quest that tracks how many times you die to another player captain.

The reason I came up with is, it's very easy to get to 6 on Fed side and not get that many upgrades to your starter gear. This affects your Boff abilities badly (I upgrade deflector dish ASAP as a science char).

Do not PvP as fed till you are ready! And don't go all offense! Hazard Emitter I is not on any officer I could requisition as a fed. Go to the store and get it. Voila - High avoidance for alphas. Think your skills thro and spec accordingly.

I see a lot of well thought out Klingons. A lot more playing Science or Engineer now too, and not just healing themselves. I'm one of those who drops cloak last and starts healing your alpha's. I hate the ball with a passion from Beta. Once it breaks tho, you're toast and we can pick you off with ease.

We get to T2 with a lot of credit's in the bank. (If you're sensible).

I hit 11 got a MKII BOP, 2 sci Boffs, 1 tac (Rapid fire). Went and bought 2 MKIV Heavy Dual disruptor cannons, MKIV Photon torp launcher, MK IV Turret, MK IV deflector, MKIV +Disruptor tac console. Promoted all my Boffs, so I can rotate em to suit my needs. Bought all T2 skills for em.

Join PvP. Find escort. Destroy. Buff team. Debuff Sci. Grin.

So I'd say Nerf our start T1 gear, make us spend SOME credit's/badges. At the moment we can kit for mid T2 at the start.
Good post!

The part I highlighted made me smile. After both Betas our guild decided Tactical wasn't the only way to go as Klingon. And most in the guild seem to be engineers now lol. We rolled seperate toons for group combat. Use our mains for Space. After we learned to start not being pure offense, and threw in defense we started winning most battles. Thats NOT OP, thats just learning from mistakes and starting to play well. It never ceases to amaze me how bad players who refuse to try and learn how to play, would rather just run to the forums and try and screw over those who actually took the time to learn to play. Feds have access to the same skills us Klingons do. They even have much tougher ships. If they learned to play like the better Fed players do, threads like this would go away.

Shame shame.
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# 100
02-01-2010, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Carnality
Say it ain't so... but it is so.

The simple fact of the matter is that the developers employ a technique similar to bracketing a target with artillery.

In OB, Klingons were grossly underpowered. Now they are, arguably, better and win PVP matches much more than 50/50.

Like shooting the ground missions up to 40 kills, or nurfing science ship shields down 10%, the developers are bracketing their target. The debatable Klingon buff is an example of this.

Expect in a patch, soon, that will see science ship shields increased some (as sience ships now get ***** in pvp ((I should know, I **** them with ease))), Klingon ships and powers nurfed once again, but not to the levels of OB ..but lower, and ground mission kills down to something likely 25 or so.

On my Klingon I still have Mk2 loadout on my BoP - haven't upgraded - and I find myself raping ships in a way that I simply shouldn't. I've had 4 Feds shooting at me before and they can't cut thru my shields fast enough, whereas I alone will cut thru their shields with ease.

I'm very over powered and I don't like it. I want to win based on skill and tactics, not mechanics.

Also I want it to be balanced because I want the feds to KEEP COMING BACK - less and less feds will continue to PVP if they lose 80% of the time.

I heard some scrub Klingon tell this one Fed who was complaining in zone, "Learn to play." I replied that there's nothing to learn, Klingon play is easy and over powered. The other Klingons QQ'd at me but it was me with the highest kill and damage ratio, not them.

1) Stealth and wait to group up. Feds have to sit in the open and wait.

2) Stay together and everyone target the escorts. Our cannons rip them apart even with buffs and heals.

3) Now its 5 v 4 or 5 v 3.

4) We then proceed to kill the science ships then the cruisers.

5) Now the respawning feds are zooming back at full impulse to us and, because they are RANDOMLY SPAWNED AROUND THE MAP, they can't group together.

6) If the federation groups up after their defeat, it's 5/15 Klingons, If they zoom in and try to help, it'll eventually be 6/15.

7) If by some miracle they actually defend us off and beat us back (happened once...) then we sit cloaked, regroup, and try again, this time focusing on the new threat.

8) RINSE

9) WASH

10) REPEAT


10 steps to winning in PVP everytime. Frankly we're over powered and need to be balanced.

If you think we're balanced then you really need to get some skill.
I started to read this then just lol'd my way through it. I mean your obviously an expert, tanking 4 feds solo... Truth of it was they either had bad loadouts, just come out of impulse or your exagerating, as simply fact is a BoP can tank but not to that degree without support, Larhten, a friend in my fleet is a damned good tank, he can out heal the damage feds can deal to him, however coz the majority if not all of his BO's are heal/defence orientated he lacks the firepower to kill. So hes a support role, and a vital one at that.

The majority of the Klingon players are currently players that played Klingon in OB, formed fleets and teams and played together alot, ive not met a klingon fleet yet that doesnt use voice comms, an organised team will always beat a random bunch of people. we call targets, we team up etc... even if we play random games - we form teams for that game and still focus fire, we pick Primary, secondary and tertiary targets... we even - to an extent, have a firing order... we line up on the same shield facing...we use these crazy new things called TACTICS and STRATEGY as well as CO-ORDINATION, every Klingon learnt to do this in OB, they played with builds designed for PvP, refined them, wiped them and played with better ones.

Meanwhile the feds played PvE...

Dont get me wrong ive seen some damn fine Fed tactics, and better players, however lately theres alot of QQ and less PEWPEW simply coz the fed ball no longer works, and MES got broke. MES hurt us too as its killed our 5 seconds hit and run alpha strikes, but we have adapted, Feds need to man up and do the same, im fed up with listening to ingame smacktalk of 'just lose to us, its the same reward' then when the feds lose 'omg omg your op, cant wait till stealth is removed'. Its pathetic, and hypocritical. Players such as this simply want an 'I WIN' button, not a PvP game.

PvP in STO is already basic, with the QQ on the forums lately your just looking to throw it further out of balance and break the game all the more so you can grind quicker. This whole thing has to stop, and some of these Feds need to play klingon, and when they get pounded on for 10 games straigh by feds then asked if its balanced we can see if their opinions have changed. The vast majority (not all just the majority) are so used to PvE and tanking **** poor AI BoPs that they expect the same in an arena.

Ive realised i have ranted somewhat here - so for those of you who dont fancy reading all of it ill summerize here;

The OP has no idea of game play nor fundamentals within the game if he thinks Klingons are OP, we have weaker shields, weaker hulls, we are able to be hit for 3 seconds after we cloak (in 3 seconds you can alpha a target with full shields!), when we are shieldless, its due to these differences and nerfs in OB that we banded together and learned to play as co-ordinated teams.

The Feds that are complaining need to play as klingon upto and through T2 solo, and then see if their perceptions have changed. They need to quit the 'I WANT' cries and try and just see how much effort we have to put in to even break even against other teams. Im sorry to say this but they need to play less PvE where they get accustomed to being godlike against an amada of klingon ships and play the PvP from both Klingon and fed then see how it truely is.

/End of rant - sorry for wall of text.
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