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# 301
02-11-2010, 02:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carnality
Say it ain't so...
It ain't so.

End of discussion.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloodthirst1011 View Post
Jesus Christ, i dont think Klingies get it. You ARE OP, battle cloak is a ***** move, and soon Fed players will just give up and do exploration missions for items. Then youll be stuck with long ass queues and wonder why. Have fun.
Bad players like you will give up and I'm all for it (play FvF where you will get owned too). Good Federation players laugh at you and have a good time in PvP with Good Klingon players. We all win some, we all lose some. There are a lot of levels regarding good play, just like in chess. Some players are rated 600, some 3000 and everything in between. Novices, so-so playeres, good players, experts, masters and grandmasters.

Sometimes I win easily as a Klingon, sometimes I win but it's not so easy, sometimes I win but it's very hard, sometimes the Feds own my group (PUG or Premade), sometimes Feds win but it's not so easy, sometimes Feds win but it's very hard (and everything in between). The best fights are the hard ones--win or lose. Getting owned is a pleasure too. It's a learning experience. If I get owned, I study what the Feds did to beat me and speak with my Fleet about possible counters. What should I consider to give this Fed team a better fight next time? And good Fed players do the same thing. If either side sees something is OP, we will be the first to tell you about it.

Before you post your pearls of wisdom, make sure you actually know how to play (at least the theory).

End of story, end of discussion. Mods, please, lock this thread. No more "new player" pearls of wisdom.

Please start a thread, "Good Federation and Klingon PvPers Give Advice--No Noob Posts Allowed (except to ask for guidance)." Long title, but to the point.
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# 302
02-11-2010, 03:13 AM
always the "cloak" argument... its so boring

this is STAR TREK- klingons and romulans have claoking devices, fed have not. fact, end of discussion about cloaks

there are big differences in ships hardpoints and manuverability, but these are intended, the problem is just that u have to learn how to use them.

and everyone who whines that klingons are so imba, just make your own and have a try.

i wont say that all is good as it is, but there are more problems out there than balancing.

we need an option to respecc, balanced teams before starting bg, no more random start areas in ground combat, less kills needed for ground combat, objectve based ground gombat zones, working resource battles and much more...

btw without a respecc option is every balancing just a kick in the 6 for everyone. u skill for something, get hit by the nerf club and cant change skilling- thats just peeing down your back and telling u its raining...
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# 303 i agree
02-11-2010, 03:31 AM
I have played STO for a whole of 2 days, got it tuesday night. played a fed tactical to Lt 9 did mostly pvp from the time i got to Lt 6. i got slaughtered left and right with no remorse. i thought maybe, i was new i didnt really know how to play, needed to work my ship better. all this stuff. than i try playing klingon. I start out with better gear than i had amased through quests on my fed character. tried some pvp.. Whoa, killing mostly everything without a problem. Hmmmmmm...

Increadibly imbalenced.. at least at the start, i dont konw how it is later but if progresses like this.. needs much balencing..

Just to be clear though,, balenced or not im in it for the PvP. i wanted to add that it was just to easy to kill things on the klingon, and too hard to kill things on the fed. i had = gear actually, my fed had some good green items. but im just saying as a Lt 6 i was able to solo kill a Lt 10 fed. 1v1 no interference. had that been me on my fed tactical Lt 6 vs a Lt 10 klingon i wouldnt have lasted more than few seconds. I had extreme trouble even damaging an even rank player with my fed toon. that just seems like its a bit off to me.. same skill from the same player but just works way better on klingon side atm .
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# 304
02-11-2010, 03:37 AM
Sorry to say i agree with the OP, playing on the klingon side takes "NO" skill at all.

I am a Captain on Fed side and made a klingon to better understand how they beat most of the time while they are unfocused and we have 5 people on skype directing targets, we need for the klingons to suck really hard to actually be able to win a match.


That said, i took a peek on klingon and installed a disrupter dual beam bank in the bird of prey you start with and configured it like a typical miranda and joined some ques .....the feds never stood a chance with damages from 22K from a crappy klingon and 65K from myself we beat the Feds, and lo and behold the best feds had damages around 4 to 6K ....surely why am i doing so much more damage with the same configuration of ships ?

I then proceeded to create a Miranda with full Blue MK2 gear and dual beam banks to see if i could perform aswell as my klingon conterpart at lvl 6 .....i got ***** ...shields dropped instantly when under fire and the klingon shields ...yeah well we couldnt actually get them down.

The match ended again multiple times with 4-6K max damages while klingons dished out 20-60K ....

Same with my cruiser fully dps specced, i reach 26K at Commander level, hell my lvl 6 klingon beats that double at lvl 6 with no abilities ....and at captain i cant even get a klingons ship its shields down while they decloack and instantly **** shields and blow me up.

one time with my regular group we went in formation and a klingon appeared in front of our arcs, we blew him away with 5 of us targetting him ...we cheered ...but then we noticed while we took out 1 of his with 5 vs 1, he had the time to take out one of ours in a blink of an eye, this took like 2 seconds.



Somehow i think the multiplier for pvp damages is bugged on the klingon side, i for one wont be pvping anymore, not on the klingon side because its way to easy to shoot things that cant do anything back nor on my Fed cruiser were i seem to be shooting with blanks.
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# 305
02-11-2010, 03:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archess
Sorry to say i agree with the OP, playing on the klingon side takes "NO" skill at all.

I am a Captain on Fed side and made a klingon to better understand how they beat most of the time while they are unfocused and we have 5 people on skype directing targets, we need for the klingons to suck really hard to actually be able to win a match.


That said, i took a peek on klingon and installed a disrupter dual beam bank in the bird of prey you start with and configured it like a typical miranda and joined some ques .....the feds never stood a chance with damages from 22K from a crappy klingon and 65K from myself we beat the Feds, and lo and behold the best feds had damages around 4 to 6K ....surely why am i doing so much more damage with the same configuration of ships ?

I then proceeded to create a Miranda with full Blue MK2 gear and dual beam banks to see if i could perform aswell as my klingon conterpart at lvl 6 .....i got ***** ...shields dropped instantly when under fire and the klingon shields ...yeah well we couldnt actually get them down.

The match ended again multiple times with 4-6K max damages while klingons dished out 20-60K ....

Same with my cruiser fully dps specced, i reach 26K at Commander level, hell my lvl 6 klingon beats that double at lvl 6 with no abilities ....and at captain i cant even get a klingons ship its shields down while they decloack and instantly **** shields and blow me up.

one time with my regular group we went in formation and a klingon appeared in front of our arcs, we blew him away with 5 of us targetting him ...we cheered ...but then we noticed while we took out 1 of his with 5 vs 1, he had the time to take out one of ours in a blink of an eye, this took like 2 seconds.



Somehow i think the multiplier for pvp damages is bugged on the klingon side, i for one wont be pvping anymore, not on the klingon side because its way to easy to shoot things that cant do anything back nor on my Fed cruiser were i seem to be shooting with blanks.
Mr expert doing T1 comparison, wau, you just win.
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# 306
02-11-2010, 03:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archess
Sorry to say i agree with the OP, playing on the klingon side takes "NO" skill at all.

I am a Captain on Fed side and made a klingon to better understand how they beat most of the time while they are unfocused and we have 5 people on skype directing targets, we need for the klingons to suck really hard to actually be able to win a match.


That said, i took a peek on klingon and installed a disrupter dual beam bank in the bird of prey you start with and configured it like a typical miranda and joined some ques .....the feds never stood a chance with damages from 22K from a crappy klingon and 65K from myself we beat the Feds, and lo and behold the best feds had damages around 4 to 6K ....surely why am i doing so much more damage with the same configuration of ships ?

I then proceeded to create a Miranda with full Blue MK2 gear and dual beam banks to see if i could perform aswell as my klingon conterpart at lvl 6 .....i got ***** ...shields dropped instantly when under fire and the klingon shields ...yeah well we couldnt actually get them down.

The match ended again multiple times with 4-6K max damages while klingons dished out 20-60K ....

Same with my cruiser fully dps specced, i reach 26K at Commander level, hell my lvl 6 klingon beats that double at lvl 6 with no abilities ....and at captain i cant even get a klingons ship its shields down while they decloack and instantly **** shields and blow me up.

one time with my regular group we went in formation and a klingon appeared in front of our arcs, we blew him away with 5 of us targetting him ...we cheered ...but then we noticed while we took out 1 of his with 5 vs 1, he had the time to take out one of ours in a blink of an eye, this took like 2 seconds.



Somehow i think the multiplier for pvp damages is bugged on the klingon side, i for one wont be pvping anymore, not on the klingon side because its way to easy to shoot things that cant do anything back nor on my Fed cruiser were i seem to be shooting with blanks.

Because you aren't aware, ill fill you in. You do not know what you're doing. You are at the moment terrible at the game. It is very easy to see what you're doing wrong just by reading your thread. Alas i am tired of telling people stuff i figured out on my own.

Learn to play dude, don't come here whining because of your blind ignorance.

There is some universal fact - The damage output capabilities of both factions are the same. Federation ships have higher amounts of Shields and Hull. Take a minuite and read that again.

Those are the facts, period.



Za'Rex
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# 307
02-11-2010, 03:53 AM
Lol, you somehow dont think 4-6K max damage at the Tier 1 ship for Feds vs 20-60K max damage as klingon is "normal" ? Where my miranda was actually better equiped then my klingon starter gear ship ?

Same weapons, same shields ....

Fed damage 4-6K
Klingon damage 20-60K

somehow this seems wrong .... i am not planning to level to captains level on klingon to test this theory out, its very noticeble when i use my Glaxaxy class cruiser with beam banks full of Tetryon weapons vs shields and i can NOT get shields down on a klingon escort type of ship, and the match ends with me having 26K max damage were as klings go over 200K -300K damage dealt.

seems to be just like the T1 problem to me, wich is 10 fold damage output
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# 308
02-11-2010, 03:54 AM
When you have a person who strictly levels through PVP and another player who levels mostly through PVE, who do you think will win most of the PVP?

We have the exact same skills. The ships are fairly balanced, tipped in the favor of the Federation in the lower and upper tiers and, on top of that, they have the distinct advantage of PVE mission rewards to get some pretty epic gear where we're stuck with earning medals to buy anything NEAR decent.

So, to recap. Equal ships. Equal powers. Feds have better gear. Klinks have more experience.

I still think Klingons are running a deficit, here.
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# 309
02-11-2010, 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MagnusTyrel View Post
lol, troll on...

Klings are fine as they are, the fact is alot of the federation players are new to the game and dont know how to play yet...

I've played in good and bad klingon groups and vs good and bad federation groups...

hate to say it but maby you need to l2p first before saying we are overpowered...
Exactly this. It all depends on the group you're in and the group you're against.

I play both my Fed and my Klingon and I've seen it both ways from both sides, winning and losing depending on the relative worth of the groups fighting. A lot of Feds (especially in the first 3 tiers) are new to pvp while the Klingons have had to pvp since day 1, and it takes some time to learn and get experience, and experience is what we get usually when things don't go as planned. The Feds still outpace Klingons in terms of equipment by a parsec or three but the experience of the Klingons helps balance that somewhat. The Klingons I still think will be more up to par when their loot tables are equal to Fed and when they get a cruiser in T2. I had to roll my eyes at the T2 Fed cruiser drivers who think they're high and mighty because they can work over a BoP without trying too hard.

Yes, the OP is a full-time Fed troll.
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# 310
02-11-2010, 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Zautin View Post
Because you aren't aware, ill fill you in. You do not know what you're doing. You are at the moment terrible at the game. It is very easy to see what you're doing wrong just by reading your thread. Alas i am tired of telling people stuff i figured out on my own.

Learn to play dude, don't come here whining because of your blind ignorance.

There is some universal fact - The damage output capabilities of both factions are the same. Federation ships have higher amounts of Shields and Hull. Take a minuite and read that again.

Those are the facts, period.



Za'Rex
I am fully aware that i dont konw what im doing I am 100% new to this game atm. and only on the threads cause the games down but as you said he dosent konw whta hes doing and you can see by his post why he experiences this(as i am having the same experience) im insanely curious to konw how you can dish out = dps on a fed character at low lvls like that and break through kling shields and insta **** klings with a fed.. pls pls cause that what i would like to do ty..
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