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# 21
02-01-2010, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sekkoutai View Post
It's called Polarize Hull and it can be yours for the low, low price of 75 Merits. Endeavor to be more informed before posting.
as blinks said, its possible to brute force your way out. the trick is to evasive out before you really get stuck in it and it kills your speed.
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# 22
02-01-2010, 09:11 PM
Sephirius cries about Klingon's because he just sucks at playing STO.

FYI: If Klingon's are better at PvP (more organized), because we PvP to get our levels, So we learn more. Most of you FED's PvE for levels.
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# 23
02-01-2010, 09:13 PM
I've played both factions. Klingons to T2 and Fed until T3. I did well in PVP on both sides. The secret is teamwork and focus fire.

I've found the Klingon teams just tend to co-ordinate more. Also, Klingon ships are more balanced overall because they lack the options of Fed ships. Federation strength comes from playing on a team with a variety of vessels.

One of the main problems I faced while doing Fed PVP is I would end up the only Escort on a team full of Cruisers. Made me an easy target, especially when most Fed cruisers want to be DPS too, so they have no true tank skills. Fed side just seemed like a Cruiser-fest, it was annoying.

I haven't played much Fed lately (I switched over to Klingon when I realized I couldn't use my JT during Headstart) so maybe things have changed. As useful as Klingon cloaks are, they're sheilds cant take half the beating a Fed ship. Get yourself a decent tractor beam and buff some Quantum torps for extra damage. You'll do fine.
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# 24
02-01-2010, 09:14 PM
Welll, I don't really want to get in the middle of this argument of anything, but I would like to voice my opinion. I'm totally cool with the hardcore pvp concept, and that's all fine and stuff. But I think it'd be nice to see ... like, a non-hardcore pvp section. Can we call it softcore pvp? PVP for the people who like PVP, but don't want to devote their entire game-life to it.

Like, honestly, PVP is great and all, but at this point I really just want to get the damn "go win a PVP match" quest out of the way and continue leveling. But the four arena matches I just played ended up like, 2 to 15 at best. I remember hearing about Fed vs. Fed PVP. That'd be nice, I think.
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# 25
02-01-2010, 09:15 PM
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Welll, I don't really want to get in the middle of this argument of anything, but I would like to voice my opinion. I'm totally cool with the hardcore pvp concept, and that's all fine and stuff. But I think it'd be nice to see ... like, a non-hardcore pvp section. Can we call it softcore pvp? PVP for the people who like PVP, but don't want to devote their entire game-life to it.

Like, honestly, PVP is great and all, but at this point I really just want to get the damn "go win a PVP match" quest out of the way and continue leveling. But the four arena matches I just played ended up like, 2 to 15 at best. I remember hearing about Fed vs. Fed PVP. That'd be nice, I think.
Its coming. Be vigilant. Or suck less, which is also a viable option.
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# 26
02-01-2010, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghang
Its coming. Be vigilant. Or suck less, which is also a viable option.
I think he's talking of the t1 pvp quest. Which is pretty damn impossible for the federation atm unless they either.

a) Meet a Klingon side full to the brim of afkers
or
b) Go in as one single team after having made sure to buy the best equipment possible for their miranda's.

Having full voice support for option b would of course help.
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# 27
02-01-2010, 09:21 PM
When Klingons win: less Feds groupped... No fed ball forming... One to three Feds fly at the 10 of us over and over again.

When the Feds win: fed ball formed, targets called out. Every space pvp I'm in we pick target list with care (as Klingon) and we attack simultaneously.

So nerf us to oblivion... Just ruins the game more!
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# 28
02-01-2010, 09:25 PM
Here is what I have seen in the 6-10 bracket and 11-20....

For 95% of games Klingons have to wait because we get into the game 1 or 2 vs 5. So we cloak and wait till we get five. By that time the Fed ball is formed and there are about 200 mines out (sometimes).

We usually pick a target and go at it, then someone on the team calls another. When our alpha strike opens up the feds all seem to pick the first target they see and start shooting. You can cry and moan about cloak all you want but all Feds have to do is say "Ok, when they attack everyone target off Chuck and shoot his target".... but they don't, they just shoot whoever they see first.

About 90% of games go this way. After the Feds start getting killed they respawn, go to full impulse, then get back into the fray as fast as they can once again just shooting the first target they see. Problem is, by this time the Klingons are working through targets so all 5 of us are targeting the same Fed and then moving to the next. The entire game plays out like this, Feds die, spawn, then full impulse back into uneven odds... they never regroup. Then when the game is over there is usually some who say gg and some who cry "op Klingons".

I have only seen one game out of many where the Klingons spawned and rushed right back into the fight, and we lost that one. Every other game if the group gets wiped we regroup. Cloak or no cloak it is not hard to just regroup.

STO pvp is not terribly complicated but you do have to use tactics to win. In open beta there was NOTHING 5 BoPs could do to kill a single Fed before they started getting killed because of the imbalances.

So in short: Klingons are forming teams, calling targets, regrouping between fights and Feds are not most of the time and then they run to the forums to ***** about how unbalanced it is because they can't just sit in a little ball anymore and win every round.

Oh, and on a side note... I see a ton of Fed ships with one disruptor cannon, one phaser beam bank, quantum torpedoes... feel free to mix up your weapons but you are just gimping yourself when it comes to installing stations that improve certain types of weapons. Try sticking to one type and getting the stations to improve that type, it will make a big difference.
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# 29
02-01-2010, 09:26 PM
Cloaking really does need to get nerfed to hell. There is just no excuse for how overpowered it is to be able to gather your forces, pick targets, travel around the map while alone and so forth without any chance of being detected unless you fly within 2km of a science vessel.

Also the need to seriously nerf evasive maneuvers + engine battery. It's just ******n ridiculous that a Klingon ship can essentially go to full impulse in the midddle of combat, then cloak and be scott free. Sure, a federation ship can theoretically do the same, but since they can't cloak afterward you can hunt them down, especially since all Klingon ships are faster. Once a Klingon ship is outside of 10km it's gone and you won't see it again till its fully repaired.
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# 30
02-01-2010, 09:28 PM
Iv'e done the CB, OB and now head start. I only play Klingon. I can tell you honestly that in beta the main imbalance was gear. Now that issue has been corrected. In PvP if you want to win you simply use teamwork. "stick together and hit the same target" At T1 i noticed the FEDS failed to do this 90% of the time which is why they lost. Is the cloak a klingon on advantage... yes it is. but only for a moment. Once the fight got underway most of us klingons didnt use it. T1 BoP dont have battle cloak. With ll things being equal, tactics win out. If you think klingons are OP than show me exactly where? Give me some data, some numbers. FED players have access to green Mark 1 shields with 3800 rating (mission reward i think). Klingons do not. Our starting shields are white Mark 2 with 3300 rating. The gear is overall balanced. The ships are roughly equal. T2 is a complete reversal of T1. Klingons have no real science ship (you could use BoP but its not the same) and no cruiser for tanking. In OB i noticed that in 5on5 PvP if the FEDS have 3 or more cruisers with Mark 4 dear klingons would lose 90% of the time. If FEDS had only 2 or fewer cruisers Klingons would win 80% of the time. This is with good teamwork and tactics. When Klingons get T2 cruiser you'll see that tactics will win out and the win/loss will balance out.

BTW meat machine is a jerk but he is often right.
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