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I just saw the new "Trident Class" on the front page, basically a giant rock with boosters, not really trekish at all.

the reason Trek is so distinct is that it follows the "saucer" -> "hull" -> "detatched nacelles" design. The defiant was put in to shake up this concept and make it new and unique, so fair enough there was a small exception, but if you keep making butt-ugly ships that look nothing more then giant futuristic rockets with boosters (as described above), then it's not really star trek at all anymore, is it?

Seriously, can you even consider just hiring one of the Trek production team as a design consultant?

Rick Sternbach (Designed TNG ships, Enterprise D, romulan warbird, Klingon)
Doug Drexler (Art and design director for all treks in TNG and afterwards)
John Eaves (This guy designed the Enterprise E, FC era shuttles, Nemesis ships)
Alex Jaeger (This guy designed all the first contact ships)

I know you people are trying, but it's really coming off as second rate. All these guys have blogs and they do freelance work they choose, so it's not like they wont be available to help you. Drexler recently said he even missed building star trek designs, so I'm sure he'd jump at teh chance to critique Cryptic design for you.
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# 2
03-04-2010, 03:47 PM
Part of what you got to understand is Star Trek has ended and these new ships are futuristic set after Star Trek sure its not trekish but how many ways can you do the "saucer" -> "hull" -> "detatched nacelles" design and make it look new?

Some will like it some will not...
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# 3
03-04-2010, 03:49 PM
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The defiant was put in to shake up this concept and make it new and unique
And to make it resemble a Whitestar.

But if you think about it, Trek ship design has been moving in that direction for a while. The Galaxy was one of the last ships we saw with a "Neck", and then the saucers became integreated into the primary hull..Sovereign, Nova, Intrepid, Saber, Prometheus, etc. We also have ships like the Saber and Steamrunner who's nacelles are integral parts of the hull.

So it's safe to say Trek ship design is headed away from the traditional saucer/neck/engineering hull/pylons/nacelles design. It's just old-fashioned.
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# 4
03-04-2010, 04:17 PM
well if thats the case...look at cars...they are primarily a box with 4 wheels...thats pretty old fashioned is it not? same concept for over 100 years. designs are different but same concepts just dressed different. everyone is entitled to their own opinions, thats the beauty of forums
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# 6
03-04-2010, 04:55 PM
I have to ageree with the OP. Most of the Admiral Designs are pretty horrid and a clear departure from Trek design. The Admiral Science ship designs are just fail. I like the induvidual shapes of the different pieces of the Starcruiser, but put together it does not resemble a Trek ship. It is more like something out of Star Wars.

Long story short, the futuristic designs are not very Star Trek like.
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# 7
03-04-2010, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by kefra View Post
I have to ageree with the OP. Most of the Admiral Designs are pretty horrid and a clear departure from Trek design. The Admiral Science ship designs are just fail. I like the induvidual shapes of the different pieces of the Starcruiser, but put together it does not resemble a Trek ship. It is more like something out of Star Wars.

Long story short, the futuristic designs are not very Star Trek like.
Luna class is a paramount one. It was a fan design approved for the Titan series of novels in a contest.
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# 8
03-04-2010, 07:10 PM
Luna class was from the Star Trek: Titan book series. Aventine Class was from the same series and i'm surprised it hasn't appeared yet either.

But in regards to starvoyage and rampage. Trek has been moving away from the neck design for a while i agree, but it hasn't been headed backwards into the "torpedo" shaped ships with no definition between primary and secondary hulls, even on ships like the defiant, the NX and the like, you could always look at the model and say "There's the bridge", or "there's engineering". These torpedo shaped ones are basically run of the mill scifi ships, B grade, with a star trek colour scheme.

The reason i recommend the existing artists is they spent 30 years collectively building 300 years worth of ship designs, they know their past, present and future lineages, they can provide Cryptic with the guidelines to make their ships more treklike and less generic scifi-like. There are some fundamental trek ship design concepts that go out the window with cryptic designs, like one of the galaxy class replacements that just has the nacelles and saucer almost on teh same height on an elongated frame which looks ugly no matter what way you look at it.

Trek ships are meant to stand out, be recognized no matter who sees them, and above all things, graceful. These admiral ships do not.
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# 9
03-04-2010, 07:16 PM
Trident is may fav ship so far. My RA has one.
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# 10
03-04-2010, 07:53 PM
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Luna class was from the Star Trek: Titan book series. Aventine Class was from the same series and i'm surprised it hasn't appeared yet either.

But in regards to starvoyage and rampage. Trek has been moving away from the neck design for a while i agree, but it hasn't been headed backwards into the "torpedo" shaped ships with no definition between primary and secondary hulls, even on ships like the defiant, the NX and the like, you could always look at the model and say "There's the bridge", or "there's engineering". These torpedo shaped ones are basically run of the mill scifi ships, B grade, with a star trek colour scheme.

The reason i recommend the existing artists is they spent 30 years collectively building 300 years worth of ship designs, they know their past, present and future lineages, they can provide Cryptic with the guidelines to make their ships more treklike and less generic scifi-like. There are some fundamental trek ship design concepts that go out the window with cryptic designs, like one of the galaxy class replacements that just has the nacelles and saucer almost on teh same height on an elongated frame which looks ugly no matter what way you look at it.

Trek ships are meant to stand out, be recognized no matter who sees them, and above all things, graceful. These admiral ships do not.
The cruiser and the escort are pretty close to Federatoin design. The Cruiser is pretty much an Achilles class(yes I know non-canon) and you can tell what all the parts are on the escort. I just say the new science vessal is another odd design like the defiant or the saber or Oberth class.
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