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# 1 The K't'inga model
01-22-2014, 05:43 AM
Hello, there's a slight complication with the K't'inga and all its incarnations.
They used to look like this:





which means they were really well done with lightmaps, glowy parts etc.

For a long while now they look like this:



Now I now what you're gonna say: "Dude, you've got the wrong viedo settings and the model is so far away". But here's the thing: Nope, play with your vid settings all you want, get as close as you can...you you'll see no glowy parts and very little detail. In fact I show you this particular picture because at an even greater distance the details become visible:



Yep at a really high distance, beyond the maximum zoom of the camera, the high details are visible but not at close range.
Could you please fix this?
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# 2
01-22-2014, 07:31 AM
It's a LOD bug. LOD = Level of Detail, where certain things turn off at certain ranges. The only problem is they have it reversed and you're seeing the low-detail model up close, and only seeing the "high detail" model waaaaaay out at maximum distance.

They have totally screwed up the LOD on the K'T'inga.
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# 3
01-22-2014, 03:17 PM
I have two fleet K'tinga's. I wish they had glowey nacelles, I also wish you could customize them. The problem might be compatibility with the other versions parts, but I'm sure no one would mind if there were a few uneven edges.
The Somraw, K'tinga, D'Kyr, D7, Kumari, Xindi carrier, Xindi escort, and the T'Varo are all older than the Constitution Refit and yet they are tier 5. The Constellation is made up primarily of Connie refit parts and it is tier 5, there is no logical reason whatsoever for the no tier 5/6 connie rule.
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# 4
01-23-2014, 02:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rodentmaster View Post
It's a LOD bug. LOD = Level of Detail, where certain things turn off at certain ranges. The only problem is they have it reversed and you're seeing the low-detail model up close, and only seeing the "high detail" model waaaaaay out at maximum distance.

They have totally screwed up the LOD on the K'T'inga.
Given how drastically different the model looks compared to the one that should be visible my guess is there's more to it than just lightmaps.
There are probably at least two completely different models depending on distance and they reversed their order.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cidstorm View Post
I have two fleet K'tinga's. I wish they had glowey nacelles, I also wish you could customize them. The problem might be compatibility with the other versions parts, but I'm sure no one would mind if there were a few uneven edges.
It's maddening to me to know the model is already there it's just not used.

The ship is probably not set up to allow mix and match, but I've got to admit that since the D7 and K't'inga versions are so similar in STO there's very little to mix there anyways.
And yeah I agree the K't'inga refit is so different it would probably look rather sill.

I think there should also be a financial incentive to fix this.
The more people saw the ship looking like this leveling up:





the more would be willing to shell out some FSMs to get it.
I mean in this case it's not even the need to make any changes to the model or redo it, it's fixing a bug.

Thank you for your support, both of you.
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# 5
01-24-2014, 04:01 AM
Yea it would be nice to see the nacelle glows on my fleet K'tinga, swappable saucer,neck,hull,strut,nacelles would be even better
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# 6
01-27-2014, 05:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjabez View Post
Yea it would be nice to see the nacelle glows on my fleet K'tinga, swappable saucer,neck,hull,strut,nacelles would be even better
Thanks for your support.
As much as I'd like to see customization one day, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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# 7
02-01-2014, 10:39 AM
The Defiant class is getting new skins while huge messes of a problem like this still exist.
The Somraw, K'tinga, D'Kyr, D7, Kumari, Xindi carrier, Xindi escort, and the T'Varo are all older than the Constitution Refit and yet they are tier 5. The Constellation is made up primarily of Connie refit parts and it is tier 5, there is no logical reason whatsoever for the no tier 5/6 connie rule.
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# 8
02-02-2014, 02:15 AM
I'll add my voice to these interests. The K't'inga, IMO, is a signature Klingon starship and needs some love.
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# 9
02-02-2014, 04:49 AM
Well, good for the Defiant players then (no sarcasm) but...yeah what about things like this?
I stumbled onto something interesting:
When entering the Dyson Sphere for the first time, we get a nice scene of the ship coming through the gate...no that's not the interesting part, that's just stating the obvious.
This is the interesting part:









Yep, we get a properly functioning K't'inga model in this sequence.
So to reiterate: we're not asking for the moon, we're not asking for a redesign of the ship...we're asking for the correct use of art assets that are already there and working.

And my thanks for raising your voice in this matter.

Last edited by misterde3; 02-02-2014 at 04:51 AM.
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# 10
02-02-2014, 04:58 AM
As a contrast, here are screenshots taken immedeatelly after the sequence:





I'm not sure whether this issue can be made any more obvious.

Last edited by misterde3; 02-02-2014 at 05:00 AM.
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