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# 11 Romulan Sci Ship
01-26-2014, 01:16 PM
Tried flying a romulan sci once. Problem is that with only 160 power points you cannot maintain both shields and aux at high levels. Singularity Cores are simply not good for sci ships, though you can overcome this by flying the T'varo as a sci ship, in which case you do not need shields.
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# 12
01-26-2014, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tom61sto View Post
I do hope that isn't final... Ensign Engineering and only 9 console slots on a ship we have to grind for (1000 'Qmendations', with 400 coming the first run of the new mission, then a daily of 40). Does have Battle Cloak it looks like too, at least.
I think that's someone playing with BOffs that haven't been promoted. If you look closely, Tovan only has three tactical abilities, there's a second tac BOff with no abilities, Hiven only has three abilities and Satra and Veril only one. Since this is meant to be a T5 science/tactical ship, it ought to have a commander tac or sci station, yet in the screenshot it doesn't seem like anyone is slotted in that kind of station. So I would guess that whoever took it wasn't flying with a fully operational bridge crew.

Plus, a couple of images above that screenshot there is a spreadsheet with the BOff layout, and it lists a lieutenant engineering station.
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# 13
01-26-2014, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ridingink View Post
I must admit I love the Romulan faction. Mainly because I simply love Romulans. However I have been greatly disappointed by the fact there is only one Romulan choice for a science ship. Admittedly the KDF should get at least one freebie science ship prior to the Romulans getting any pay science ships however having more than one option is necessary for the Romulan side. Especially since the Romulans have been known for their scientific ability and heavy use on science abilities in canon to fight in battle.

I would just like it known out there that the small community of science players would like some ships as well .

Whats everyone else's view here?
Since you asked... I have a Rom Sci and I do not think the faction needs any dedicated science ships. The only thing that's really missing is a warbird with a commander level science bridge officer station. Otherwise the bulk of the Warbird lineup is already able to serve the purpose very well.

First, pure sci ships are a federation asset, and saying that all factions should have science ships is like saying that all factions should have warbirds or BOP raiders. I know we're already over that bridge but as a rule I do not think all of the factions should have a lot of science ships to choose from. Instead they should have native ships that are science capable.

And if you look at the lineup, almost all of the end-game fleet and c-store warbirds (except the Mogai) have the ability to slot LtCmdr sci and many of them can slot Lt and LtCmdr sci. That gets you HE/TSS and TB/TR|TBR/GW which is enough for most end-game sci. It sounds limited, but sci is mostly for control and support, while weapons are for killing, and the warbirds bring a whole lot more firepower than pure science ships that usually only have Lt Tac boff with 3x3 weapons and 2-4 tac consoles. Warbirds bring a minimum of 4/3 weapons and up to 5 tac consoles, and they all hae commander tac stations. My sci captain has a fleet dhelan kitted this way, and she blows through stuff way faster than any of my pure sci ships.

Whats missing from the romulan lineup is a warbird with commander level sci boff seating that isnt a space whale like the Ha'nom, that's all. A traditional 4/3 destroyer with a single cmdr sci and a uni lt would be awesome.
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# 14
01-26-2014, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ursusmorologus View Post
Since you asked... I have a Rom Sci and I do not think the faction needs any dedicated science ships. The only thing that's really missing is a warbird with a commander level science bridge officer station. Otherwise the bulk of the Warbird lineup is already able to serve the purpose very well.

First, pure sci ships are a federation asset, and saying that all factions should have science ships is like saying that all factions should have warbirds or BOP raiders. I know we're already over that bridge but as a rule I do not think all of the factions should have a lot of science ships to choose from. Instead they should have native ships that are science capable.

And if you look at the lineup, almost all of the end-game fleet and c-store warbirds (except the Mogai) have the ability to slot LtCmdr sci and many of them can slot Lt and LtCmdr sci. That gets you HE/TSS and TB/TR|TBR/GW which is enough for most end-game sci. It sounds limited, but sci is mostly for control and support, while weapons are for killing, and the warbirds bring a whole lot more firepower than pure science ships that usually only have Lt Tac boff with 3x3 weapons and 2-4 tac consoles. Warbirds bring a minimum of 4/3 weapons and up to 5 tac consoles, and they all hae commander tac stations. My sci captain has a fleet dhelan kitted this way, and she blows through stuff way faster than any of my pure sci ships.

Whats missing from the romulan lineup is a warbird with commander level sci boff seating that isnt a space whale like the Ha'nom, that's all. A traditional 4/3 destroyer with a single cmdr sci and a uni lt would be awesome.
have you SEEN the anniversary ships? ....what youre asking for.....

It's coming....
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# 15
01-27-2014, 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisbrown12009 View Post
have you SEEN the anniversary ships? ....what youre asking for.....

It's coming....
Well, not quite. It's a sci ship that can downgrade its Cdr Sci to an LtC Sci in exchange for adding a 4th fore weapon and upgrading its LtC Tac to a Cdr Tac. So it's a science ship that can wear a destroyer "hat" when the time comes to shove out tons of forward fire.
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# 16
01-27-2014, 04:23 AM
The alternative is putting an Engineer in the Ha'nom, but it sort of feels
like a cheap trick to do so. I think as a pure Science Romulan you just
need good power transfer, and have to bite the bullet and take the loss.
The power loss wouldn't be so bad if we could have Auxiliary Plasma beams
like the Vesta has for Phaser DHC's. As it stands, I'm not holding my
breath for that, and instead my Science Captain flies the Khnial, which
actually works pretty well for a Science vessel. No in-born subsystem
targetting, but she has some other nice toys and two extra weapons slots.
For raw damage I have other choices, and some day I might actually
choose to fly the Ha'nom, if I can think of a good reason to do so.
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# 17
01-27-2014, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ethercircuit View Post
I think you'd see more fleet ha'nom guardian warbirds flying around if it didn't require T5 shipyard. As of right now I never see any.

The ship has a lot of potential, good turn + battle cloak + access to warbird consoles, but in the end probably still loses out to temporal or voth science ships.

But to answer your original question I think the Romulans have enough for right now. Romulans make the Federation look neglected. I'd like to see more balance in BOFF racial space traits before the Romulans get any more ships. I'd also like to see the KDF get a string of 3-pack ships without the Federation or Romulans getting anything for a long while.
I also agree with this. Boff racials are good, the problem is the lack of space racial traits
available. Its something I've complained about for a long time actually. Its particularly
annoying since doff system was going to alleviate this, but the Department Head and other
such features were never completed.

KDF side likewise deserve more ships in their lineup. A Talon Dreadnought for the
Nausicaans is but one example of many I'd like to see. Maybe a little more story
to put the pieces together. Its a little sad that even today more of the Klingon story
is told by playing a Federation character than the other way around. What of B'vat
for instance?
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# 18
01-27-2014, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by unangbangkay View Post
Well, not quite. It's a sci ship that can downgrade its Cdr Sci to an LtC Sci in exchange for adding a 4th fore weapon and upgrading its LtC Tac to a Cdr Tac. So it's a science ship that can wear a destroyer "hat" when the time comes to shove out tons of forward fire.
And thats bad how? sounds like two ships in one.....
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# 19
01-27-2014, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tom61sto View Post
I do hope that isn't final... Ensign Engineering and only 9 console slots on a ship we have to grind for (1000 'Qmendations', with 400 coming the first run of the new mission, then a daily of 40). Does have Battle Cloak it looks like too, at least.
In his priority One interview Geko said these ships only have 9 console slots because of all the built in goodies.
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# 20
01-27-2014, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by reximuz View Post
In his priority One interview Geko said these ships only have 9 console slots because of all the built in goodies.
link please. id like to read that.
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