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# 11
01-27-2014, 08:06 AM
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How is it full of BS? Abram's Connie is bigger then a Sovereign. It's a huge ship full of a lot of tech that Gene never thought of.
hahah! You do realize that JJ Enterprise is in a different universe and you cannot compare it with the Sovereign in her universe
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# 12
01-27-2014, 08:10 AM
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hahah! You do realize that JJ Enterprise is in a different universe and you cannot compare it with the Sovereign in her universe
You do realize that appearance appeal is subjective to the individual?

My point was that the JJprize is a big ship; as big as the Odyssey or Sovereign. It has plenty of room to fit 25th century technology; assuming that size is the big complaint by many as to why the TOS Connie shouldn't be t5.
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# 13
01-27-2014, 08:14 AM
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How is this not like any other t5 connie thread? They all want justification for CBS' decision.
However, doesn't every other T5 Connie thread start with "and this is why I believe we need a T5 Connie, now take this to CBS and convince them to give it to us"?

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CBS thinks on a much bigger scale for Trek then STO. STO is a pimple to them. On any given day they have hundreds of Trek licenses to deal with. Sometimes those licenses conflict. The Enterprise is iconic and a huge money maker for CBS. For example, it's the Connie in a twizzler commercials, not the galaxy class; and that twizzler commercial probably paid them more royalties then Cryptic did. How CBS wants to market, and doesn't want to market, that iconic ship is entirely up to them.
First off, I'd like to know what license conflict? Does the existence of that model site with the subscriptions that has been pushed by Cryptic's dev team (via contest) create a problem with AMT and their "regular" model? Or Micro Machine's "mini" cruisers vs. the minis for SFB / FASA / any other unknown Trek tabletop wargame? Or even minis vs models vs toys? The only time a company winds up with a licensing conflict is if they issue some sort of exclusivity agreement, of which we are not aware of. Obviously, that Twizzler commercial uses the ToS styled Connie, not the JJ-Connie, so if there was an exclusivity window restricting the Connie to JJ's to "prevent confusion with the movie ship", that ship has sailed...

On the issue of a proposed "royalty issue", ie, CBS wants way too much per ship than Cryptic's "regular" price structure would support, one would think that Cryptic would have somehow "let slip" the projected price of the Connie to cover royalties, to see what kind of response it would draw... And even then, given the fact that "creating" a T5 Connie could be nothing more than copy/pasting a ship (say, Galaxy-R), telling it to point at the T1 (or T2) Connie assets instead of the Galaxy assets, then selling at whatever price would need to keep CBS happy, viola...

Therefore, there has to be some other esoteric reason that CBS keeps saying "no", and before we start yet another speculative flame war as to finding a way to "convince" CBS to change their mind, the OP has elected to go straight to find the problem that needs to be solved. Now, I've heard much speculation in the previous threads that CBS has issue with the Connie being portrayed as a cruiser (tank) that can keep up with the Galaxy/Soverign/Oddy that CBS has approved as the replacement flagship of the fleet. Fine. With confirmation of this being the issue, the playerbase can focus on solutions that meet this criteria (and before you ask, yes, I do have one as alluded to in my sig, however, since this is not a "solutions" thread, I'll refrain from spelling it out...)

Still, this thread is an attempt to find the problem first, to know where to aim the solution, instead of arguing the arguments then finding the answer to change CBS's mind...
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Still at it. CBS "restrictions" fell by wayside with freebie Breen. Time to re-examine ENT and ToS at tier 5, repurpose the Connie into Sci and rebuild an Akira escort into the "NX". 6 "eras", spread evenly over all the classes...
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# 14
01-27-2014, 08:16 AM
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BS! lol Utter utter BS. Your statement is so full of BS, that the global prices of BS plummeted due to the sudden oversupply of BS thanks to you.


You have anything else to add besides this typical fanboy meltdown over anything Abrams Trek related? As it stands now, you are coming across as a twelve year old basement dweller.

No wonder people think Trek fans are like that insane crossing guard with his Uhura blowup doll from "National Lampoon's Senior Trip".





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Put it this way, The Sovereign class is more lovely sleek design than that ugly JJ Enterprise ship. I'm sorry, but that ship is just absolutely horrible, it's a laughing stock.


I have to politely disagree with you. I was never a big fan of the Sovereign design. But I like the sleek updated lines of the updated Constitution. It also looks more like a classic Starfleet design, as opposed to many of the newer designs from The Next Generation film era. And I say this despite being a big fan of the Akira and Norway class starships.
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# 15
01-27-2014, 08:22 AM
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First off, I'd like to know what license conflict?
The point is we don't know how they might conflict. Do we know what type of license CBS has with Paramount and Abrams as far as how each Connie image can be used? No, we have no idea. Do we know what licenses CBS has had with other gaming companies over the years about how the image can be used? Again, no. So I'll say it again: we have no way of knowing how allowing X might be a problem due to license conflicts. CBS does know.

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On the issue of a proposed "royalty issue", ie, CBS wants way too much per ship than Cryptic's "regular" price structure would support, one would think that Cryptic would have somehow "let slip" the projected price of the Connie to cover royalties, to see what kind of response it would draw... And even then, given the fact that "creating" a T5 Connie could be nothing more than copy/pasting a ship (say, Galaxy-R), telling it to point at the T1 (or T2) Connie assets instead of the Galaxy assets, then selling at whatever price would need to keep CBS happy, viola...
My point about royalties was to get across the idea that while gamers on this forum think STO is a big and important that's not the case to CBS. To CBS STO is just another license; and a license that probably isn't paying them as much as many of their other licenses.

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# 16
01-27-2014, 08:25 AM
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How is it full of BS? Abram's Connie is bigger then a Sovereign. It's a huge ship full of a lot of tech that Gene never thought of.
What, like a brewery in the engine room?
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# 17
01-27-2014, 08:30 AM
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What, like a brewery in the engine room?
I'm starting to like this abrams guy...
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# 18
01-27-2014, 08:31 AM
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What, like a brewery in the engine room?
You might not like the imagery but I actually enjoyed seeing the bowels of the ship in a realistic manner. Processing and purifying waste would be a huge process for longterm space travel. That was only lightly toughed upon in Enterprise where Archer talks about solid waste being converted into other components on the ship.
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# 19
01-27-2014, 08:34 AM
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You might not like the imagery but I actually enjoyed seeing the bowels of the ship in a realistic manner. Processing and purifying waste would be a huge process for longterm space travel. That was only lightly toughed upon in Enterprise where Archer talks about solid waste being converted into other components on the ship.
What we saw was not waste processing unless...they use plutonium in their sandwiches.

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# 20
01-27-2014, 08:39 AM
Here is what they could do. Make a new ship with the aesthetics of the connie in mind, but give it a 'modern' look. Circular saucer section with tube shaped elongated engineering hull and long sweptback high mounted nacelles, but have twin pylons to mount the saucer section to the engineering hull and modern detailing.

Since it is a cruiser, bump the size up a little to accommodate.

It would probably look a lot like the Avenger does now, but slimmer and more graceful and without that triangular primary hull shape.

In fact, I would even go so far as to suggest simply making it a new skin for the Avenger.

Just my 2 cents. But it would make me happy.
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