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Its grossly broken. Klingons can **** and pillage at will, take almost 100% damage then cloak and fade away while all the other Klingons you havent been shooting at kill you. And if you are lucky enough to live by the time you have shifted to another target that takes massive damage and cloaked away the first one you crippled has decloaked and repaired to shoot you some more. Cloaking devices need some rules, making them inoperatvie after a certain amount of damage would make it better. Because the same tactics of "group up to survive Feds" (and even then you will get owned eventually) makes for bored, tired and upset players. I have been on Fed teams that have ripped Klingons up but they just band together in a big cloaked group and end up owning a full squad of Fed ships anyways. Cloaking devices need Nerfed!!
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# 2
02-02-2010, 09:46 PM
No they don't, just because you're not good at PvP doesn't mean it needs nerfs. In any XvsX fight, the group with the least (or the 1) are going to be at a disadvantage. Now the funny thing is, if you read the Klingon side of this, and Klingon vs Fed 1v1, the gear the feds get just from doing missions is WAY more powerful than the gear the Klingons get.

Now, on the other hand, if you come up with some sort of strategy... I've personally taken on 5 Klingons with just my brother in a Cruiser and myself in an escort. He grabs their attention by being "Away from the group", they attack him, he pops all his cooldowns (30% reduction in damage, Full shields, Full Hull, Evasive Maneuvers) I pop all mine and the klingons are now fighting a 2v2 where they are going to lose anyway.
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# 3
02-02-2010, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowofBlood
No they don't, just because you're not good at PvP doesn't mean it needs nerfs. In any XvsX fight, the group with the least (or the 1) are going to be at a disadvantage. Now the funny thing is, if you read the Klingon side of this, and Klingon vs Fed 1v1, the gear the feds get just from doing missions is WAY more powerful than the gear the Klingons get.

Now, on the other hand, if you come up with some sort of strategy... I've personally taken on 5 Klingons with just my brother in a Cruiser and myself in an escort. He grabs their attention by being "Away from the group", they attack him, he pops all his cooldowns (30% reduction in damage, Full shields, Full Hull, Evasive Maneuvers) I pop all mine and the klingons are now fighting a 2v2 where they are going to lose anyway.
Dude get off it. Being good at PVP has nothing to do with getting ***** by imbalanced teams and abuse of game mechanics. That is the pretty standard response to PVP complaints "you suck so you are upset". You fight me one on one and I am gonna tar that azz. You fight me 5 v 1 and we know what happens. Go ahead and tell me what I am supposed to do when the Feds concentrate fire on one Klingon and almost kill them then they cloak and all of our effort was pointless and we have been getting hammered on the entire time by other Klingons. I appreciate the tactics and skill arguments, I really do. And it is totally true, but when you have game imbalances it becomes invalid. And the whole "distract them while we own them but not lose a ship because we can cloak to run even with 99% damage" gets pretty old. I dont think it is unfair to put a limit on how long a cloak will run on a heavily damaged ship. Do you? can you seriously tell me that a ship with 99% damage should be able to cloak? What about damage to the cloak system? In ST the cloak was rather fragile was it not?
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# 4
02-02-2010, 10:05 PM
So you want to be able to slaughter other players with no challenge? I don't quite understand. You want to nerf the ONLY ability (they get all the same abilities you get as a Fed) the Klingons have to survive against a better armed opponent. Again that doesn't seem logical.

Also if you find this ability so annoying, you should make friends with a Science Vessel. They have several different ways to 1. Stop them from cloaking, 2. Keep them from Cloaking, 3. Stun them for up to 24 secs, or 4. Keep the "Klingthrongs" from targeting anyone.
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# 5
02-02-2010, 10:44 PM
dude you should KvK when we arent just farming xp and really trying. You get a good team and they start blinking in and out. Or the honorless ones run and hide when they are about to die.

See Klingons fight each other so they technically would have the same disadvantage as the Feds when it comes to cloak. The Klingons some how have managef to fight each other. And we dont have all your fancy ships shooting sparkly clouds.
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# 6
02-02-2010, 10:54 PM
I'm inclined to agree with Shadow on this one, but only to a certain extent. Are the cloaks and advantage the Feds don't have, yes. Has it effected PvP in the sense that it totally tips the scales in favor of the Klingies, no. See if a klingon ship is cloaking, their shields are down, so if you fire off a torp just as they're cloaking, you hit their hull directly and them, boom, no more klingie.

You just need to modify your tactics in PvP is all. There is an old quote that comes to mind, "If you keep doing what you've been doing. then you'll keep getting what you've been getting."
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# 7
02-02-2010, 11:17 PM
I am not afraid to admit it I suck in PvP since I have only been in a handful of matches and from what I see the game is set up that PvP is done by level. Unfortunately even though I am level 13 I just have no staying power with my Cruiser against 5 BoPs I am lucky if I last 30 seconds. Now it is most likely possible I do not have all the wizbang consoles and stuff to keep up with the punishment the BoPs put out. The cloaking is a bit of a pain and the targetting in game is a bit coarse if you are locked on once a BoP starts to cloak the lock on is gone. This is just my 2 cents.
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# 8
02-02-2010, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Data
I am not afraid to admit it I suck in PvP since I have only been in a handful of matches and from what I see the game is set up that PvP is done by level. Unfortunately even though I am level 13 I just have no staying power with my Cruiser against 5 BoPs I am lucky if I last 30 seconds. Now it is most likely possible I do not have all the wizbang consoles and stuff to keep up with the punishment the BoPs put out. The cloaking is a bit of a pain and the targetting in game is a bit coarse if you are locked on once a BoP starts to cloak the lock on is gone. This is just my 2 cents.
well NO ONE can survive 5x1. So once you can solo 5 BoPs everything is even steven?


I think the problem may also lie with the water down god mode the devs did for PVE. Every feddyber is gonna think he should be able to take 3 battlships in a miranda.
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# 9
02-02-2010, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ShadowofBlood
So you want to be able to slaughter other players with no challenge?
This is essentially what all Multi player games have come down to. People don't want to have to try, they want the "happy win" button". They want to win, but they don't want to play. They want to play a game that's more roll the dice than skill related so everyone's on the same playing field and never has to hold their losses at their own fault.

This is the mass consumer gamer. This is the person the bulk of games are marketed to. This is the second largest gaming demographic. This is a major reason why games have become more bland, repetitive and easy in the past years.

Sadly, those of us who want a challenge or just something different are a small group. Our opinion are over ruled and we're ignored. We make up a comparatively small marketing group and, let's face it, if the only games available are easy, repetitive and bland, we can't very well buy a fresh, challenging and engaging game because they don't exist. Most of us will ultimately cave in and buy the crap out there anyway.

But, you know, if it sells why make different games? After all, it's only our opinion that games should be more meaningful and challenging and sadly we're overruled. To hell with the cultural impact and loss of substance, game publishers are making loads of cash!! And as long as you're rich you're, who cares if you're destroying your culture?
Capitalism is truly best experienced with a healthy dose of ignorance and largely unilateral populace, be cause targeting niches just isn't cost effective.
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# 10
02-03-2010, 12:14 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there BOff powers that prevent a target ship from being able to cloak?
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